i see it once in awhile, usually on the first couple of days. people use corn a lot also. the set up i mentioned above will catch fish all the time. cannot tell you how many times we have walked into a hole and guys aren't catching anything and we start hooking up on fish. trout have a hard time passing up larve. takes a little bit to learn how to get the bait rolling on the bottom without getting stuck but once you learn it is worth it. but then again if you are not tie on hooks once in a while you aren't doing it right.