Spring Time Yotes

[Grass Stain]

  Well I got a call from a local farmer He has about 500 acres and the adjacent farms are also included in this hunt. They are having a problem with these dogs , Destroyed an entire chicken coop in one evening,Killed 3 chickens at one farm ,one dog, 3 cats all in the last week. I have not hunted these dogs in the spring so I am looking for some suggestions. I was thinking about using a distressed chicken sound but I cant find one western rivers site is down.So possibly a KiYi and / or fawn in distress or should I just stay with the usual. Should I still Howl And Challenge?
 He said do what I have to do ,but we have to kill these yotes.
 Morning ,evening,or night ? Please leave your opinions I want to be successful as possible here ,If it were me I wouldn't want to lose all my livestock either.

[Hern]

I do Spring/Summer Coyote work.
Not many guys in Pa. do this work or have experience in this field.

Do you know where they are denning?
Make 'the right' approach and set up.
With denning/aggessive/bold Coyotes any sound will bring 'em in this time of year.
My approach and setup is important to me this time of year. Don't overlook the small details of woodmanship. By that, The Coyotes are there, you know that, now don't tip 'em off or spook 'em or show 'em the game plan. Know what I mean?
Play for keeps. You are setting up in their living room, make your visit/tme count. Do your job as well an experienced plummer or electrician would on a work call.
Predator controll is serious business, it isn't a weekend hunt'n with the boys.
One on one is a whole different ball game. Get in 'the control' frame of mind and work 'em over.

If other fourm members kill Spring/Summer Coyotes on purpose, I would like to hear their opinions too.

[Grass Stain]

The landowner showed me 2 dens they are across the street they would be about 700 yards from where my set would be but they have to cross the road or should i set up on a fence line in sight of where i think they would come from ,Its an open field about 300 yards to the wood line.Or should i set on the opposite side let them come because there is an open power line where he hears them howling and yipping in the evenings. I was gonna set up there about 150 yard from the chicken coop and have the best of both worlds.

[furbug]

Throw your calls away and bait. If you plan on killing PA. coyotes.
Pressure bait them.
Bait big, then work your way down.
Electronic calls work on fox in PA. but are near useless for killing coyotes.

[uncle buck]

You have the edge they are there...I would not even call...I would get down wind of the den and just wait them out...Now if you could get up in the farmers barn and have a vantage point of the den area from an elevated position you could actually hunt both the daytime and night time...However you would need the luck of the position of buildings in relationship to the den's.

Stay away from the chicken sounds...So many people do that and they fail,  AKA Cat in distress,  AKA lamb and Goats sounds,  and of course the chicken sounds... You don't need them to come to the sounds they are living there... Get the jump on them from a high spot where the wind is not blowing toward the den area. I would hunt during daylight and use a well scoped rifle..


If you have to call......IMO it would be the Puppy Whines and or the KIYI only.




Electronics vs mouth calling for coyotes...I have called in quite a few coyotes now with both mouth calls and electronics...While I have called in far more with the mouth call... If you do that same exact thing with the remote electronic call that you do with the mouth call you will call them in also....It's not the sounds so much but how you use them and the moments of silence..."Silence Is Golden"  more silence is golden then actual calling when outsmarting Eastern coyotes...

[Hern]

GS says-
I was gonna set up there about 150 yard from the chicken coop and have the best of both worlds.
Your experience and woodsmanship tells you that's the right place?
You may get one shot at 2 livestock killers...make sure it's the best spot. Be ready for business when you toot on the call.

I won't waste time stand hunting (watching and waiting). I would use an e-caller or mouth calls to get the job finished and prevent added stock killed.
In my above post I didn't mention calling sounds, because I put more effort into 'a plan'; approach and set up.
Barks, yips followed by distress works great near dens.
Start off with barks, yips then wait a few minutes, follow the same series several times. Then go to distress sounds.
With the bark/yip series one will get aggressive barks returned. This is a good time to clam up/shut up and be ready. Sitting tight is nerve racking but Coyotes can't stand it and will be seen, for the most part.
Starting off with distress sounds work well also. Which distress sound, doesn't seems to matter at this time of year. I like to mixup sounds but that's a personal thing.
Look at terraine, funnel points to dens, travelways, wind, shadows, approachs and create a plan of attack. And plan B.

[Critterslayer51]

GS...I dont know if chicken distress sounds is your answer...but...Foxpro does make chicken distress...i'm sure they'd prob work on your western rivers set up

[furbug]

Throw the call away. If you are sure about the den, walk up urinate in it.
You will see the adults moving the pups immediately. Sit back with a good scoped rifle and wait.
You will only make more call shy coyotes with a call. It is a fact little are called and killed in PA. with electronic calls.

[uncle buck]

Throw the call away. If you are sure about the den, walk up urinate in it.
You will see the adults moving the pups immediately. Sit back with a good scoped rifle and wait.
You will only make more call shy coyotes with a call. It is a fact little are called and killed in PA. with electronic calls.

I agree with everything you say here furbug but electronic calls will call in coyotes in Pa.   I have done it and many of us that I know personally on here have done it with Foxpro's (FX5's and Fury's  and or Primos Power Doggs...You just got to not over call and use the right coyote vocalization to play with their brain...If they are there and you do this they will come to electronics...


However I do prefer to use mouth calls if I am hunting with other hunters...Electronics if I am hunting myself unless I can find a high spot to get the jump on them...Mouth calling they hone right in on where your calling from....

[furbug]

I can tell you, a hunter can hunt for years in Pa. with a electronic call, and call coyotes, but killing them, has terrible odds with a electronic call.
We tell these beginning hunters they need a electronic call. For a fox, there OK.
But a mouse squeaker, will call in as much game, if set up right, then any electronic call. We bring Western hunters to PA. to give seminars to sell certain electronic calls.
Ask these hunters to come two weeks early, and see how many coyotes they kill here.
When you call in a coyote with a electronic call, and do not kill it, it is educated.
I am not saying calling a coyote in with a electric call is not possible. But new hunters need to know, PA. is one of the hardest states to CALL and kill a coyote.What is your honest number of kills per stands. Any truthfull hunter here will tell you it is many. These new hunters need told that. But electronic call seminars given by these companies Pro Staff, are not going to give these true numbers. Sitting in a good thicket, stump hunting will get a hunter more spring time coyotes. We will see some coyotes get harvested this weekend. But turkey hunters are almost as many as deer hunters in numbers, and are in the thickets where the coyote lives, unlike many deer hunters. There is allot of food source out there for spring time coyotes, that is why the gazillion electronic call hunters are mostly wasting there time.

[scott]

If you are calling by yourself you will kill more coyotes with an electric caller than a mouth call, it lets you get away from the sound source and out of your scent cone which is very important in winds over 5 mph and in heavy cover. 

[uncle buck]

See it's not just when you use electronics...It's kind of like the underdog in football...They have to play the perfect game to beat the top ranked team and they do it all the time.  Hunting Pa coyotes is like that....You have to play the perfect game or do the perfect hunt...If you take anybody with you they have to play the perfect game or do the perfect hunt too... So many things can cause you to fail, wrong gun, wrong light, people who are not seasoned with you... People who also want to be the chief...To many chiefs and not enough Indians to listen to the chief also results in failures when hunting coyotes...

So when you get out there in Pa.....in 2010...and probably for a few more years....None of that just turning on the call and 999 coyotes come in for the dinner bell like in other places... "ONE GOT TO PLAY THE PERFECT GAME OR YOU LOSE!"