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Predator Hunting => Predator Hunting => Topic started by: Lookn4Fur on September 22, 2016, 11:31:54 AM
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Locator call for Coyotes and why?
I have used many over the years such as;
Group Yip Howls
Coyote Pair Howls
Lone Howl
Police Siren
Air Raid Siren
Rally Howls
Pre Hunt Howls
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To broad of a question. I think that depends on the time of the year. For example, if it's breeding season, I like a female submissive. After they've paired up I like a simple lone male howl. Now that the pups are venturing out more, I like a female lone howl......
That's my 2 cents worth.....
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I left it broad so you could elaborate. I did not want to influence your answer.
That's very interesting. You seem to gravitate toward all single coyote howls albeit different types of howls at different times of the year.
I have more success with multiple non aggressive howls or group howls this time of year. In the fall, starting around mid to late November I like the single coyote howls either male or female and January through March Lone Female.
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Male howls for me!
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That's two single howls one one group type howl.......and counting!
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Your math is correct for this time of year. Lol
Where are the old coots at? They must be all chin music and no hunting. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:) What could some "Old Coot" tell you ??? ??? "LookN2KnowItAll"?????? But Here's the Super Secret: Make a couple of Pup howls, ;) try to sound as pitiful as you normally do ::) ::)......sequence 1 howl 1 whimper low volume, wait 6 mins. 13 sec.,3 whimpers,1/2 howl wait 2 mins 23 secs. , it goes exponentially from there ::) I'm sure you can figure it out :P.........something will come even if it's just a curious possum...... :o...Go get'im Sonny..........POP's.... 8)
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jasper1
Good avice!! but do not forget about the woodpecker sound. At the same time you are using your sequence. Play that woodpecker sound at the 11 second mark and never stop until the stand is over. If you have two calls add raccoon fight at the same time. Play both at 71.3 volume. Have both speakers pointing to the exact spot you plan on setting. The closer the calls to you the better. That will direct them straight to you for a good close shot. This is also deadly on fisher, not just the dominant male coyote. This method really adds to the Curiosity part of the stand.
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Locate while scouting I've used federal siren.
Pretty much agree with you Lookin4Fur..as far as sounds and seasons.
I like pup howl and coyote yip duet.
Give them what you get?
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Quatto
All kidding aside. Best call is scouting. If there is plenty of fresh coyote sign set up and call.
I have used locating sounds and never gotten an answere were I know there were coyotes in the area. Your best chance at calling them in is the first time they answere you. FInd fresh sign and set up and call them in. Where Timmy is hunting there can be a lot of empty areas of huntable coyotes.
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It just so happens that Sonny and myself are tag teaming coyotes this weekend, We are headed out shortly to test all that sound advice!!!!
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Misterjake
You set the two calls like I said and Sonny will remember that set up forever. Since your taking Sonny with you, set him at the hot spot between the speakers so he gets the shot. :-)
PS Sonny is hoping you will find a fisher for him to trap.
He is pretty cheap, when it comes to buying breakfast.
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Sonny called me in a coyote AND bought breakfast...... I may have reformed him!!!
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Misterjake
He must have something good on you. He had to have blackmailed you to say that he purchased breakfast.
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This time of year I would say non threating single howls in a series would be my first choice.The young of the year could be intimidated by group howls.BUT they are territorial and the sound of another dog on their turf no matter what can set them off.
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I was out this weekend and had coyotes sounding off to group howls and lone male and female howls.
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Misterjake
You mean using coyote sounds is the same as using a turkey calls to call turkey. As long as you talk the critters language they will talk back... Interesting..... :)
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LOL
I just watched the candidates sell there self. what calls will they use, I know!!!!! the one each critter want to hear.
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Lookn2locate, I've used about the same sounds as you over the years.
Around home, I don't try to locate. Because I've scouted and have an idea they are in the area.
If home area goes sour, I then may try to locate to see where they have moved. Now a days I have siren sound on my e-caller that I use to locate. Can't say it's my favorite. But I use it.
If I go to new territory and don't have time to scout on foot, I may try to locate.
For the most part, I don't try to locate on new territory. I just try to hunt on the blind on unfamiliar territory, because am here now and may not come back.
What am getting at, I don't locate too often, but use that time to take a chase and call to see what happens. That may be a disadvantage to me.
I do see the value in locating. Hearing Coyotes, then planning where to park truck, plan approach & set up would be an advantage in new spots.
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Hern
Good information, I know you said this, but I would like to stress that piont. Boots on the ground scouting will up your kills better then any other method. Also the bonus is you will learn about coyotes habbits. All kinds of locating methods work but learning the area coyotes live in the best. There is no easy one way method to hunt coyotes in Pa. Locating with coyote sounds is hit or miss in locating. They do not always respond and you can pass up just as many good spots thinking there are none there. Coyotes get real smart from the truck loads of people already doing that locating with coyote sounds.
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:) Sound advice for sure. I am a Marshmallow Mountain Man myself. ;) I like the tried and proven talk to the Old Coots in the area method..Lady at the Inn where we stayed told us where she heard them... ;D ;D I just spent 2 days in the heart of "LookN2Bsignificants" Honey Hole.. ;D.. got some Fisher trapping locations and some coyote hot spots for me and the Goose to try out.... ;D ;D ;D...better get there early Sonny! :o :o :o..................................... 8) PS: For sure use the Ranten Woodpecker along with Gray Fox distress full volume till the batteries die.. :o
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So you think. 8) 8) 8) I actually do very little locating but wanted to hear what everyone does. Boots on the ground is also great but the time to do that is not the day you are hunting or even the night before. It is sorta an all year thing.
I think as Hern stated though it is hard to put boots on the ground often enough when your main hunting area is 4 hours away. That being said if you do it long enough, you get to know the general areas the animals prefer and at what times of the year.
My next question is what sound do you use that gets the coyotes to sound off the most and what is your best sound to seal the deal?
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:) Well for question 1...I will answer with a question. :P Why does he have to sound off, he just has to come. ;D Question #2 to seal the deal it's "BANG"....us OLD guys use the KISS method.... 8)
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OK, let me explain for those who can't comprehend. :o :o :o :o
1) No they don't have to sound off. Of the ones that do, what sound do you get the most vocal response from while hunting?
2) When you know you are working a coyote that is close but you can't put eyes on him (hung up), what sound is your go to sound that brings them in close enough for a visual and shot?
Now if you understand what I am saying please respond honestly and to the point. Trust me, you are not giving away the code to launch a nuclear missile.
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Lookn4theeasy
Aaaaa, Jasper1 looks like your son is looking for every ones secrets methods to kill coyotes. He says It,s not rocket science!! But it must be right up there next to launching a bullet.
Soon he will be begging on fisher secrets.
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Tim Legitimate question. A few weeks ago I had them sounding off. A short time later, a coyote sounded off again and he was close. Just over the crest and wouldn't show his eyes. Had another one come in and just stayed in the high golden rod. It went back and forth vocalizing. As exciting as it was, it wouldn't break cover for me. Both times I'd say the coyote was within 50 yards...... No shot and never seen it. One time I was in the woods the other time I was in a field.
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;D ;D ;D ;D Jake you got the boy scratchin his head :o :o :o :o :o
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Which boy??? Lil Timmy or Lil Ernie???? OR BOTH perhaps!!
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Misterjake
Does not have me scratching my head.
Sonny and you are looking for the holy grail. :-)
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Aren't we all !?!?
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:) 1. A howl. 2. a coyote that is close but you can't put eyes on him (hung up), My little squeaker....1 time and wait and wait..he heard me......if he is so inclined he will come if he is to upset with the whole thing he will leave...maybe he was shot at before,maybe his brother chewed on him, there are a thousand reasons its a roll of the dice...JMO...Sonny......... I hope to be in the woods a little more than the last few years and if I come up with anything better I will certainly share....8)
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Not looking for the holy grail but if I find it that would be great. Just asking what works best in your years of wisdom.
I have been talking with Andrew Lewand lately about these topics and just wanted to compare notes with some others that I respect. I know the game but judging from most of your response just like my self you really don't have an answer. We all just guess at what we hope will work.
There is some very distinct and different logic floating around about what sounds are best for coyote this time of year and I can't argue either side because both methods are killing coyotes. I just feel that I am hunting smarter coyotes than any body else. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lookn4fur
You probably are hunting smart coyotes.
Coyotes that have not been called can be as easy as fox if you set your stand up correctly.
Smart coyotes!!! stand location is more inportant then the sounds you use. Everybody tries to use there Red and Gray fox calling experience on there set ups. Coyotes are bigger, smarter and hunt differently and cover much more area quickly, so when they get nervous their approach is different then fox.
There safety zone and aproch is different when comming in. They actually think differently on there aproch then fox on these smart coyotes.
You will have better luck setting up with 2 and 3 or maybe more people, one person has a hard time covering all the ways they might decide to come in or hang up at.
Electronic call location is another thing you have to consider a lot more.
Here is some things to think about.
Are the number of coyotes you hunt different from were you get you information on how to kill them.
When you get how to hunt coyote information you have to have all the information.
Like how hard they have been hunted, how many there are in the area and what contact they are used to bumbling in to people.
Example
There are places trappers catch 200 coyotes in a month and there are places to catch 5 is a big deal.
You have to have all the facts when deciding how to call them.
So when getting hunting,calling and stand location information you need to know what you up against when you start. Remember after you mess up you just made them even smarter.
That is why putting boots on the ground before you make your fist call is so inportant. The second time just gets harder.
Walking around in there area scouting does not make them call shy, messing up calling does!!!
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NowLookn2Locate, your Coyotes may be smarter. I agree.
My reasoning because of all the Fox calling activity in many areas of our state and the boom in predator callers.Coyotes have become wise to distress sounds, humans using these sounds & Fox calling methods.
Am not knocking anyone or putting anyone down. I (a Fox caller) am in the same group.
As Fox callers or novice Coyote hunters, we all have called in Coyotes (while calling Fox) and never knew it, never seen 'em. By that, Coyote sits hundreds of yards away and contemplates the situation or approaches, swings downwind to catch our scent. After winding or sitting watching our moves, Coyote disappears. We furthered it's education on survival. In human terms- smarter. Just by going out to kill a couple of Fox tonight.
I feel PPHA members have recently learn to work/kill Coyotes. Information shared on this site along with Buckwheat's Coyote School has certainly improved the PPHA kill rate.
Smarter Coyotes. Yes. I feel we Fox callers have educated more Coyotes than we will know. It will continue. I believe our 'Coyote Calling Methods' of today will evolve. Coyotes will get wise to our methods, so we will have to adjust in the future.
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Thank you for sharing but you are all great at not answering the questions. Sounds like our presidential canidates. Lol ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lookn4fur
Your are never going to learn are you? If I post my best sounds on the board everyone will use them and they will no longer be my best calls. Critters will run the other way when I use them!! Then I will be standing there going what happened? I will have to get a new ball of tricks. As you are finding out calling sequences are hard to find.
I already told you what you need to know before, you just never listened.
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Oh I listened. 8) 8) 8) They make this feature on this board called a PM if you don't want to divulge your top secrets that everyone knows. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lookn4fur
LOL!!! Now that right there is funny, I do not care who you are!!!! thats funny. Let me see? you are the one that wants to know and I am too PM you?
Way before PMing, they invented the phone and that does not mean I am going to call you ether.
Besides, It, would take all day to type what works and you would just ask another question anyways.
How does every one know what super duper top secret call sound I use?
Hell, it changes just a little each time I learn also.
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Lol. I don't think you even know your own super top secret call scenario. That's how secret it is. :D :D
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:) BW says:"Way before PMing, they invented the phone and that does not mean I am going to call you ether." Hey "Sonny" he calls me!.....LOL..........
I have a question for you.....how do you determine which favorite your going to start with? Let's say everything is in and you start with a Bee's rabbit squealer....and a fox runs up..are you going to shoot? A coyote could have been 10 steps behind the fox, coming from a different direction. Or maybe start with a howl, keep those pesky fox out of the game,except fox starts barking at you from a fence row away. What I'm saying is if BW gave you the code Rabbit squeal 1 min. then coyote howl etc. and you tried it and it didn't work,you would think he was misleading you. A good little Amish boy like him would never do such a thing but just sayin.... 8)
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;D ;D ;D ;D "you tried it and it didn't work,you would think he was misleading you." ??? ??? ??? Now why at this stage of the game would Sonny think he was being mislead?? 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Seems you guys are having your own conversation. I never said anyone was misleading. I am not looking for a call scenario or a secret sound. I was simply asking what works best for you all. Maybe I should stop talking predators and just go back to making fun of the old coots?
By the way I am getting pm's from people and phone calls. Unfortunately I was hunting and could not answer. I figure the law of averages will lean in my favor soon and a dumb coyote will stick his nose in the wrong direction. I am closing the gap hunt by hunt. It's a game and I love it even though they are winning right now. Lol
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Jasper1
I have also called lookn4hope a few times not just you.
He is always busy hunting it seams when I call him. I never see any thing he kills wile hunting. So I guess he is just hunting were he put his phone. Or maybe he is just avoiding me.
I just want to clear the air on the fact I do call him.
The miss leading him thing is a dumb statrement!! How can I miss lead him. He never listens any thing I say. Besides he always hunting something and does not have time to be mislead.
As far as shooting Coyotes.
Heck i think he just said something like he hopes to shoot a coyote in the nose if it sticks it at the wrong spot. That alone is scary, we all know we're a dog sticks his nose alot of the time.
PMing
Not telling him what calls to use? It must be you other 3 old coots because I do not PM. If so stop it!!
Jasper has enough to on his plate with his kid.
I will call you later Jasper. We all have kids. I under stand.
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:) Sonny says: I am not looking for a call scenario or a secret sound. :) Good because I don't have either. I am still trying to overcome being a fox hunter and breaking those bad habits. Also you did not answer the question if you call in a fox do you shoot it or wait hoping for a coyote? 8)
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Jasper
I would shoot the fox, mister fox already felt safe enough that you probably did not call in any coyotes in.
What,s the saying, a bird in your hand is worth 2 in the bush.
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I had to let two grey's and a red walk this year so far. I shoot them if they are in season. I can honestly say I have never called in a fox when using coyote sounds. It's the prey distress that get you the mixed bag of critters.
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I will call you later Jasper. We all have kids. I under stand.
You know your son is always supposed to challenge the fathers knowledge. It's some kind of unwritten rule.
Good because I don't have either. I am still trying to overcome being a fox hunter and breaking those bad habits. Also you did not answer the question if you call in a fox do you shoot it or wait hoping for a coyote? 8)
Only a fox hunter would ask that question. You need to start thinking of yourself as a coyote hunter. Then you will become one. ;D ;D
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:o :o :o "I had to let two grey's and a red walk this year so far. I shoot them if they are in season. " ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Is this a feeble attempt at the Deckard Award with a tall tale?? :P :P :P :P :P :P
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Goosebumps
Yea, he is close to winning already. I thinking about voting for him.
Well, we know his calling something in other then his neighbors dog has always been in question.
He however will win with his next story, I See it comming already!!!!!!
Ya know the one were he's calling fox and he let's a coyote walk because he did not want scare the foxes from comming in.
Ya know what just put my vote in awile.
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:) Ok getting back on point.................You (and BW also) would shoot any fox coming to the call! :o So we can assume when you leave the house you are going for a mixed bag? Since the few times I have taken my feeble bones to the woods I have had a fox bark back when using a coyote howl to start....what is this telling me? I was also assuming when you set-up you have done your homework and are looking to shoot a coyote. If nothing responds to your coyote sounds do you pull up stakes and leave or do you try prey sounds? Since fox and coyotes are not exclusive of each other...if a fox runs in on the prey sound and you shoot it, while the coyote is off to the side watching this Chinese fire drill, have you now educated an already nervous,hyper coyote? I'm not eligible for the Deckard but one time I was rattling one of those bags with plastic in it during archery season ::) and a red fox showed up :o WhaaaaT? OLD POP's is getting more and more confuzzed....LOL
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Assuming would be your first mistake. :o :o No I exit the door with the mindset of hunting one or the other. As each requires a different strategy.
If nothing responds to my coyote set then yes I pull stakes and move on. If a fox would happen to run in on my coyote set I would shoot it. I might add that rarely happens unless I am playing prey distress. Read between the lines. ::) ::) ::)
I don't necessarily think a shot messes up an already skittish coyote unless they see or smell you in the process. And according to your story I would say the fox had already busted you and your pathetic howls confirmed it. ;D ;D
As far as your plastic rattle bag goes, predators are curious by nature, I think it wanted to see the rare curious old coot hunting in the woods as they usually never get out of the truck. ::) ::) ::)
As far as the Deckard Award, I feel everyone should be eligible as long as the voting is left to the members. Good Luck! You are going to need it. ;) ;) ;)
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:) Just as I thought ;) anything dumb enough to arrive on the scene gets shot :o :o :o................ 8)