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Predator Hunting => Gear Bag => Topic started by: bigben on February 05, 2009, 12:53:58 PM
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why do you fellas use a electronic call?
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To get the sound and focus away from me
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To get the sound and focus away from me
might be the trick for daylight hunting, but at night I want them focusing on me... that way I got eyes coming straight in to my stand and lights... not depending on them looking to the sides hoping I see them... eyes don't show up well looking at'em sideways...
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I'm sorry, I should have mentioned that I hunt mostly in daylight hours
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I like when Cougars focuses their eyes on me.
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They also drive the woman crazy.
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I like when Cougars focuses their eyes on me.
They also drive the woman crazy.
Yeah, lets derail another post
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WE use it to beat District 2 in predator contest. ;D
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WE use it to beat District 2 in predator contest. ;D
no you tied district2
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Yea, i know but i got to rib you guys. I use electrontic caller to keep animals attention off me during the day. Most of my calls are (first made by hand calls.) I only use e caller as coxer during the day and night. At night i keep e caller at my feet. I want to keep there attention on me so i can see eyes under a red lights comming in. A squeaker type sound sucks them in for the shot..
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I like when Cougars focuses their eyes on me.
They also drive the woman crazy.
Yeah, lets derail another post
Now I was truely trying to have fun with that one TJ. My wife hates when I play mine in the haouse.
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My wife has learned to sing along with it. The harmony isn't bad.
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I use em to get the sound away from me. I have been using them more and more at night. hunting downwind away from the call. at night. during the day I use them for the same thing. sometimes I actually hunt with the caller behind me with me facing downwind. depends on the weather conditions. also for sounds I cannot make on a hand call.
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that is what I thought for a good bit till I tried it. think on this. if you know a red or coyote is heading downwind in the first place why watch the caller. you allready know what it looks like. the one coyote this year I called in I could not see the caller. I wasn't worried about it either. I was hunting for a animal that I knew circles down wind most of the time. guess what I seen that coyote. I am not saying every stand stick the call behind you. I have also done this to a extent in the past at night while hunting on full moon nights. I will stick the caller behind me 10 or so yards. I am positioned 30 yds away from the field edge. most reds I have called come in runnin up the edge of the woods then come straight at me once they get to a 90 deg angle. greys you generally hear them coming. better get ready quick when they are on the move through the woods though. they are on ya.
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Ha Bp what happens when your Fart? ;D
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I read about others facing into the wind, crosswind, facing down wind, etc. I try to make all my setups so that "downwind" is an area they are not going to be willing to go. I would NEVER put the caller behind me.
I do not allways put the call behind me only in situations that warrent it. I used to do that till I found out that if a animal is determined enough to get to a area that I do not think they will go guess what they go. unless you are butted up against a stream or a shear cliff then the animal will get downwind. you are limiting your self on calling areas.
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I agree. I've had them do both, especially at night. Fox and coyote. I've had both of them 3 feet from my lap. They're as unpredictable as they are predictable.
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sorry but in my area they do. maybe they are pressured too much by me? maybe by other callers. but in the last few years I have been noticing I have been getting busted more by critters getting downwind of me. now I am not saying allway look straight down wind. but here is one scenario that I use.
I park at the house. walk in via the road. most of the times I make a stand right inside the woods for greys real quick. 5 mins of grey fox pup or another sound and then head deeper into the wooded section. blue dots are the road. this road gets traveled alot and there is not very many leaves on it. a quiet aproach helps. on a full moon night it is hard to call the back of this field. the front part of it that is south south east gets hit hard by spotlighters and others that call the area even though they are not supposed to. the grey road heading south south east goes to the hard pavement. I could walk in that road making a few stands along but it does not seem to work very well. I set the caller behind me on the road. two dots back from the big red one. most any fox is going to come running into the call along the edges. the one edge coming from the north east and the other edge coming from the south east. if I do not call this spot this way I never have any luck. they spot me before I get a chance. moving under the cover of trees helps. and I am facing east in this scenario. wind is going from west to east.
(http://www.bigbenshaus.com/stand.jpg)
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remember fellas I never said it was gospel. I just said I am using this technique for areas that never produced before. a buddy from alabama told me to try it and it works. not everytime but in the right situation it works. if I had never tried it this way in this scenario then I would not have had this farm turn out to be sucessful.
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Nice set up Ben,
I think I'd still be paranoid about an aproach from behind
if the ground was quiet
but thats me
I like to see everything if possible
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here is exploded view. and this is a night stand scenario
(http://www.bigbenshaus.com/stand1.jpg)
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tell me how would you approach this setup? now at the east of this field that fencerow on the other side is a different owner. can't go there.
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everything north west is mountian for 5 miles maybe 10. and yes that is a pond
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I got a question. if you aproach from the south where would you make your stand and how would you make the shot? one thing you do not see is the field slopes towards the pond. if you were to theroetically speaking make a stand at the northern corner of the pond you would be shooting up hill and more then likely be shooting at houses. unless you get lucky and get a long shot with the rifle towards the north. but from the north east all the way through the southern part of shot there are houses. not good shots.
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lets say it was a eastern wind. heading west. which way would you setup?
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do you have access through the house at the bottom right of the 2nd picture?... if so park at the house and walk back the lane about 1/2 way to the woods... dark night, watch the skyline behind you... keep low if necessary... that'll let you call down to the pond and to draw them from the woods too... take your rifle and tripod... ;D
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the house is actually a church and me and you have hunted this peticular farm before. the biggest problem with setting up by walking in on the road is there is a security light the shines out into the field. I am not sure if that hurts but I do not believe it helps.
any other thoughts from some of the other hunters. I have found though when hunting at night. even more so in the late season. it helps to be paying attention to the down wind side. with a shotgun it is even more important to venture farther down wind. I know uncle buck and dave kaprocki uses the corner setup with e calls or another calling partner, and it involves the hunter placing the caller out in the field about 75-100 yds from a corner. the fox runs down the edge righ to the shooter.
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Ben you are right,but in my neck of the woods the downwind part further into the season is further downwind at night,fur is coming in 200 yards downwind.I set my small mp3 system in a tree and go 200 or more if its a field corner,as im useing a 223 and im good to 250 yards.I got 2 coyotes that way.The female i got in october came right up a revine from the upwind side as BP said.Sometimes i think a person has too look at the terrain,i use those msn maps.com,to look at the ground i hunt in the daylight and find the funnels.Seems to help.
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For me it depends a lot on what I'm hunting and when.
Daytime
If I can, like a cross wind from left to right with the call 75 yards or so in front of me aimed down wind.
Night
Reds/coyotes - Same setup, but I keep the call closer, maybe 15-20 yards. This way I have a better straight on look at their eyes.
Greys - I keep the call at my feet and pointed toward where I think they are. I keep an eye downwind, but 90% of the time they come straight to the speaker regardless of the wind.
No matter where I'm setting up, I alway try to keep my speaker pointed down a logging road, pipeline, ravine, cornfield corner, fence row, etc.
Now, if I could find a spot like that at every location.....
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I remember that spot well... thats where I went out and dropped down the back side of that hill, you were up top somewhere... if you were to go out about as far but drop down to the left towards the pond till you weren't back lit or sihlouetted, that'd still give easy access for the critters to come out the road to you then drop down to the call... sit the call out no more then 1/2 way to the woods if you're so inclined to set the call out and away...
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There is a time and place for everything. How sad to see predator caller's kind of boast that they only use mouth calls or they only use electronics. A predator caller has to be well rounded. As you gain experience your going to learn when to use mouth calls and when to use electronics calls.
There was a time I felt that you could not call in a Pa coyote real easy with an electronic caller. Just this year I know of three hunters me included that have called in a total of 8 Eastern Coyotes using Primos .........CHEAPO!!!!!!!!!Powerdogg.......
So this has made me excited since I now can hunt myself and get Eastern Coyotes....When I use to call in coyotes....Many times it's me doing the calling and someone else doing the shooting. As you all know as soon as the mouth calling starts or the button is pushed Eastern Coyotes know just right were the sound is coming from.....Over calling always ends up in failure....
I like to use electronics when I need a break from mouth callling....Kind of getting the dreaded trombone lip if I am calling fox with mouth call on oh I would say about the 4th stand.
If I have a sore throat or do not feel well but not sick enough to stop me from hunting then I will use the electronics.
I like to use electronics for hunting red fox in the daytime.....
Sometimes you will use electronics and a fox will not show himself. 5 minutes of bulb squeaking or mouth calling before departing results in that red fox running right at you.....
A seasoned predator caller needs to know when to use electronics, mouth, hand calls, and in some instances their own human voice to mimmic critter talk.....
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Ernie I did call in one other coyote this year using the Foxpro FX5. So they do work.....I know your like me... Gee I must have about 12-15 different electrornic callers now. Three of which are made by Foxpro. A Model 38 and the small tweeter or chirper. I do have a FX5 with 162 sounds on it now. What I like about the FX5 and I am sure the Fury might be better.....I have learned how to call back red fox with it after they bust you. You know they come in and catch you off guard. Mybe come in from the crosswind while your looking down wind. Anyway it's an awesome tool to make those smart red fox...Start to think...."NAW NAW"!!!!!!"that was not really a human that was another fox!" Then they come in and you get another shot"... Nothing like outsmarting a smart fox again!!!!!!
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I wouldn't think it was your good looks Ernie ;D ;D far from it. Rumor has it they put a gps tracking device in it and are currently making up a predator hunting map. This will be issued with all new calls and be called "Hotspots!!!" ;D ;D I think the best thing about electronic calls is No Wires and No Weight. Also for those who have lung problems it gives you a break, like UB said. On a tip by Nitelite I bought a Pwr. Dogg from Primos for less than a 100 bucks and had a coyote howl at me the first time I used it. I did experience a problem with it during the MosQ. creek hunt and had to send it back, but Primos is going to make good on it so I'm eagerly waitng its return. Still going to use my js for crows. Haven't been out a lot this year but last year Ted and I called in several fox with the Foxpro but no coyotes that we saw. Sounds are great and we won't give up on that either.
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UB, i agree,i use different types of calling at my different spots.
I bought a powerdogg,and i had 2 hunters with me,we called in 2 coyotes the first 2 stands.
Then dry for about the next 5 trips.
In different spots.
Nearly wanted to cry.
I was super shocked,Anderson must really know how to speak the language.
But then my remote quit,and i havent messed with it much.
But i have never seen a call do that.
Some friends in WV. are killing them over the Powerdogg.
I have hunted with 3 different hunters with foxpros.
I owned just the cheaper ones,the p38,and the zr2.
I just bought the nx3.
I called in very little with them.
Why,i have no clue.
That was even calling over top with mouth calls,etc.
I feel a dollar squeaky toy works as good as any call.
I would bet if they did a trial,one hunter use a squeaker,one mouth calls,
and one use electronics,for a year.
I bet the 1 dollar squeaker would be just as good as the calls.
One good sqeeze and thats about as close as a man can get to what a rabbit sounds like when a beagle catches them.
Or a tune on the sqeaker if practiced catches there attention also.
Sounds like a good woodpecker distress if sqeezed fast.
The closer it sounds to being the real thing the better.
The foxpros are made well,and sound super,but i have yet to see them produce any better on coyotes.
There name though stands well as they are good on fox.
My friends have harvested about 35 coyotes in 10 years with the JS caller.
They have good luck with the dennis kirk mateing female whimper cassette.
And a howl threw in every once in awhile.
If i were to be asked which call to buy by a newbie.
I would have to say the JS preymaster,a good raspy cottontail mouth call,
and a squeaker.
The coydog howl brings those dominant males in for the fued.
And the distress sounds are good enough to harvest fur if the hunter is setting up proper.And i have seen them for 79 dollars.
If a man has 500 to drop on a call the foxpro is made better.
But alot of the ailienated sounds are nothing ive ever heard in the woods.
Out of the 100 i have,i think im eraseing about 60.
I watch the boards and other foxpro users are not doing real great either.
But as far as bringing in more fur,as i said,i think a home made mp3,with some good distress sounds,or even the dollar squeaker will produce just as well per number of sets.
I killed a coyote in october,and 1 a few weeks ago, with a elchepo home made ecaller.Called in over 40 coons with a special sound i have recorded.
5 reds and 2 greys this year.
Remember most mp3 players are just as good of sterio sound or better if the sounds are recorded on computer recording software.
And the mp3 player i use is the same make in a foxpro. A Sansa.
And the radio shack 25 watt horn is probably just as good as the foxpro horn also.
But as i said the dollar tennis ball squeaker from Petco is great.It sounds good,and doesnt go off unless you sqeeze it.
And probably as i said is as good as any call out there.
I called a pair of fox in this morning with it.
And had a real lucky night and called a group with 6 most ive ever called in together.But i wasnt the shooter,so dont blame me for no pics.
My hunting partner Richy was behind the trigger and froze up.
He rebounded a few nights later,we called one in on a western rivers predation,with Ernies bird sound playing.
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TROPHIESONLY
Bp hunted with you and said your a good guy so I am sure this is going to be an interesting post for me. I have very little experience using FoxPro equipment and there sounds in the field, but believe I can tell a good sound from a bad one or maybe just to my ears. I had to get the caller out to get the fawn distress sound I said was so good in the last post.
It was white tail buck fawn and does not say distressed but I would have 100% confidence in using this call sound for any big carnivore!!
Just one of the problems I have is over the years I have trusted some recording sounds and hand call sounds to work and felt confident on stand using them. Today there are so many sounds now it gets hard for most people to pick a good sound. But I like to think I have developed a pretty good ear for sounds over the years so when I hear a sound I like it will get tested in the field with some confidence on my end.
I personally believe this Fury call and some of its sounds will be help make me a lot of fun stands in the future.
I do know that Steve Dillon is a very smart person and truly knows how to record sounds and play them back on there equipment. I spent several days just talking to him about sounds and have been in the field watching him recording live sounds with some pretty nice equipment. So quality sound recording equipment does not seam to be a FoxPro problem.
I am confused a little with the statement you say that the FoxPro can not call in Wily Critters yet you say your home brew call has the same equipment in it and you clam it is great?
But as far as bringing in more fur,as i said,i think a home made mp3,with some good distress sounds,or even the dollar squeaker will produce just as well per number of sets.
I killed a coyote in october,and 1 a few weeks ago, with a elchepo home made ecaller.Called in over 40 coons with a special sound i have recorded.
5 reds and 2 greys this year.
Remember most mp3 players are just as good of sterio sound or better if the sounds are recorded on computer recording software.
And the mp3 player i use is the same make in a foxpro. A Sansa.
And the radio shack 25 watt horn is probably just as good as the foxpro horn also.
As far as sounds go, I have spent more money in my life time on call sounds then a new FoxPro Fury costs, and only ended up using about 5 or 6 sounds after all that. So if I can find even 5 or 6 FoxPro sounds that I like and work, WaaaWhooo I will be as happy as pigs in ****.
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Guess i didnt state that right as usual.
Im saying a hunter doesnt need one to kill game.
I actualy meant any electronic call.
When i said i would tell a newbie,to buy a preymaster.
Most new hunters dont understand,you may go out 15 stands +and see nothing,no matter what type call.Then they quit.
As far as going out with a preymaster,or a powerdogg.
Will a hunter kill more with the Foxpro.
I just dont believe so.Thats my opinion.
I havent seen proof.I have seen pics of guys geeting a fair share of fox,but most are in good fox habitat.Not many coyotes eatin them where there hunting.
I know alot of hunters who own foxpros and hunted 2 seasons and have called in nothing.
So it also depends alot on the hunters useing them.Setups etc.
And yes my homemade call has pretty much the same mp3,but the horn is far better,and the amp is the same size,and it cost me 80 dollars.And played after being kicked in a creek,i can set the call on a sheet of ice and it will play as long as i let it run.So i cant complain about it.
I have all real sounds,recorded from sites off the net and looped like foxpro did.
Hey as i said i just bought the foxpro nx3 its the same as the fx5 without the remote.
The fury just has a very little bit difference as far as just the call itself.
But to answer the question,im not cutting down foxpro.Many think i do so i guess for the last time i need to say properly what i mean.
Im saying if you go setup right,a preymaster,even little handheld electronic calls work in PA.
The user is the most important thing.He has to know how to fur hunt,wind,etc.With any electronic call.
Ive used my new foxpro about 25 sets,just on the squeaks,coaxer etc.
And have not called in a set of eyes.
Many put johnny stewart sounds on there foxpro same as myself,example,grey fox pup.And are killing with those sounds.
The foxpro then just becomes the player.
I have killed fur off your sounds,and the varmint al 16 minute sequence has always done well.
I record them so no remote is needed.
The varmint al sequence i re recorded.I have 7 minutes in the begining,to set the player and get downwind.A 2 minute silence at the end to wait for straglers.Then the chicken which plays and i go get the call.
I rerecorded your sounds there is a 3 minute silence in the begining then your call sound.I put the mp3 player on repeat.So i got 3 minutes to get to my seat which is already setup.The call plays silence three minutes,then your call,for a minute,etc.It shuts off,i got 3 minutes for the buggers to show,then it kicks on again.It is nice as i need no remote.
And my sounds on the elcheapo,are 24 bit sterio same as the fury.
That is why i bought the nx3,i can put my recorded sounds on them,and they work the same no remote needed.The other 2 foxpros had short 15 second repeats so it didnt work for me.
I hunt with guys who use the js 512 or whatever,and they work great.They have a shutoff remote,the cord is a hasel.But if you setup right at 1 spot and
harvest some fur it beats going to 20 in one night and getting nothing.
I hunted with Paul a whole season,and part of another.
This is the case it is easier to tell my case because we have little fox here.
And it is easier to tell what calls work and what dont.
Paul is a good hunter,we used his foxpro,we called in 1 fox with it the whole time.
He went east and was calling them in good.
We killed fur at many of those same spots the next season and seasons before,with the homemade caller.
Why i have no clue.Maybe just luck.
Trappers there the year before,i dont know.
My ecaller has called in fur for 7 years,though the first was a boom box painted useing a cd.Had a fox smash it head on.We Was useing your calls and varmint als.
Out west the foxpro works good on coyotes,but here where im at there are many coyotes,but the PA coyote as we all know is far different than the west.
Out there they have to crank up the FP all the way,here we have to turn it all the way down.To call yotes.Sometimes.
we all know they are the closest thing to a ghost as can be.
So where im hunting is a good place to tell which has worked and which dont.
Ernie if you or uncle buck,did the test with the cottontail mouth call,the sqeaker,and the preymaster.
If you guys went out 100 times this year.Im saying you will do just as well with those calls as any.
IF you setup proper,etc.
If the fur is going to come it is going to come.
I cant say im a better hunter than anyone.
But i have hunted with 2 other good hunters that have hunted my area and they have foxpros also,and could not harvest fur.
They went 2 hours away and were killing foxes.
But we should have called in many more coyotes,if it was any better call.
But we didnt.
Thats why i feel,any of the electronic calls with some decent sounds on them will produce equally if the hunter is a fur hunter.
Playing the wind,clean clothes,etc.
I feel one thing that hurts new hunters with alot of electronic callers is they blast the volume.
Primos fixed that problem for here as the powerdogg stops that as it doesnt blast loud.
But the call is probably near useless out west.
You cant beat the way a foxpro is made.
Or there service.
But you have to remember your paying 500 dollars.
But you are getting what you pay for mechanicaly.
As far as killing fur.
The preymaster and powerdogg,produce well for what little callers are useing them.
BP,said i was a good guy.
I actualy think im a ass...lol..most of the time.
But i base my mouth on being in the woods alot.
NOW your turn,Longhair told me of you.
He said your a bull****ter and drink alot of cheap beer then get on this site and post alot of trash..
LOL...im just a jokeing there fellow.
And look foreward to meeting you.
Give me a call i will pm you my number or i can call you,weekends are free for me.
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Dam,buckwheat i also forgot,Longhair says your a cheapskate...lol
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This is turning into a good post but I think I might have changed what it's really about. However we have to good topics going here.
First let me appoligize to Bigben he wanted to know how to set up at a particular set up. I would like to tell him what I would do....
Ben let the wind direction be your guide on how you set up in this area. If it's blowing down the road where the blue dots are the you want to aim the speaker down the blue line. The predator is going to come down that road and get in direct line with the speaker. Now if the wind was blowing down the road from where the red dot is you would have to aim the speaker at the point of the field where the red dot is. If the wind was blowing from the bottom of the wood lot toward the blue line you would have to set up a the bottom or actually along the side of the field. Again aim the speaker down the side of the field toward the blue line.
Never ever ever ever get in line with the speaker... The coyotes will bust you....You want to set up just inside the woods and get off the road a bit maybe 30 to 40 yards. You want the coyote to come down the road into the looudest part of the speaker and pass you why you are cross wind of the direct beam. As it passes your location going to the speaker you shoot them.
never walk in deep into any woods on your first set up. What do I always say.....The call.....is a tool... Use your tool to call them too you... Also like I said let the wind direction be your factor on how you hunt any part of that wood lot....
Also especially for coyotes......Never get in direct line with the speaker. I can gaurantee that you will get busted. Many times hunters call in coyotes and do not even know it.....Remember ...The Tool, The Wind, The direct sound of the speaker, and make sure you are down wind but you best be cross wind of the main beam of the sound.
If the wind was blowig from where the red dot is and you do not have a place to park over there. Best not even to hunt that property......
Hope you can see my logic on things here....
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sorry fellows as usual,i just read the prior post.
Didnt mean to go off topic.
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How to use electronic callers to call in coyotes.....First any remote caller needs to be hung from a branch and or a tree or off the ground. This makes them work better and receive the commands from your remote. This applies to Foxpro's, Preymaster's with remote, Johnny Stewart Attractors, and of course Primos Power Doggs.
Also make sure you have good types of batteries....No Ollies overrun, no Big Lot Generics, Energizer makes a battery that will work up to 7 times longer... It's not a rechargeable but I use these in my Power Dogg... Also change your batteries periodically if you use the alkaline...Do not relly on indicators.....
Foxpro's use a battery that will hold charges longer.... I found one that Boscov's sales at their camera area. mAh 2650's Wow they are awesome they have the needed stored engery once charged and they last longer then the mAh 2500's....
TROPHIESONLY is correct when he states if someone knows what they are doing they can use electronics to call in predators. It's not the electronic caller the outsmarts the predators. It's how you use the Tool when you set up.....
Sorry.....But you guys are just going to have to pay your dues just like Buckwheat, Hern, and of course me.... There are things seasoned predator hunters do, use, and know that the new predator hunters just don't know until they pay their dues.......
Foxpro's red fox sounds are awesome. I have about 5 or 6 of those on my FX5 and I outsmart red fox after they bust me....
The Foxpro Lucky Bird......Wow Awesome sound...
The Foxpro's coyote Interrogation Howl, Female Invitation Howl, Coyote Challenge, KIYI, Coyote Pup, all awesome.... However you have to hang the Foxpro from a tree branch or set it up on a bale of hay....See you just have to know what your doing..Also so many of you are getting busted because your right by the speaker or down wind of it and you are calling coyotes and do not even know it..You have to be down wind but se up cross wind of the main sound beam....
So you can't say the This caller is better then that call or that call is better then this caller. You have to know how to make the proper set up and yep your going to see what your calling in....
By the way I do not like the field mouse sound on the Power Dogg but that does not mean it will not call in predators....
I kind of get a kick out of some of the posters on the other Pa hunting site that many predators hunters visit. You see many post like this: I am going to start coyote hunting ....What sound should I use.....etc etc etc... I say to myself most times "Wow if this poster only knew what he needed to know to outsmart a Pa coyote?"
However The first year I started calling I called in a grey fox and a red fox and missed both of them....So you all have to start somewhere just like many of us seasoned hunters. However YOU WILL GET BETTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR,
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sorry fellows as usual,i just read the prior post.
Didnt mean to go off topic.
No on the contrary I am the one that started posting about different electronics.....I should have read the other post before starting to talk about good electroncis. The post is really about how Bigben should have set up in the picture.... LOL LOL
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Buckwad and Thoughtlessonly.......(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x208/keystoneman_85/smilies/jacked.gif)
Where's a mod when you need one ? ???
Hey TO, When it comes to Buckwad.......(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x208/keystoneman_85/smilies/feedtroll.gif)
Hey UB, Don't worry, this thread is toast now. Not only do they throw me under the bus but they back up and do it a few times more. Game on !!!!!! ;D
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no actually this was a post about why do you use electronic calls. I thought it was pretty good until the post before me.
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no actually this was a post about why do you use electronic calls. I thought it was pretty good until the post before me.
I think you better backup a few more posts. ::)
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I finally went back and read every post...It was in fact about Electronic caller and set ups. Then every now and then someone would throw in comments like they do on huntingpa. Kind of takes something that someone can learn from and add garbeled info into it... Here I'm saying I'm sorry for talking about electronics and set ups????????????
Um glad I am a seasoned predator hunter and not looking for how to call predators.
Um.....Are You Worth Your Weight In Gold?
Now remember the call is a tool...Hang it and set up according to the wind direction. Ok now we all should all be back on track.....
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UncleBuck
Learning how to sift through information on boards is always a problem. The new guys will soon learn what the facts are and what is just good old joking around. If they can not do that they will be easily buffaloed buy all the guys on these boards with less than a half dozen years of calling experience.
Anyhow this is still a good post, I read posts from you and others people that I think are good hunters with many years experience and try and learn tips. I take the tips and see if it could work in any way with the type of calling and set ups I use.
Since I have this new call and BigBen started out this whole post with ( why do you fellas use a electronic call?)
I guess I better get back to electronic calls.
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I mainly made the post to get some good disscussion flowin. it was for a good bit. oh well. I would like to see your field report on the fury then when you get to test it out EW.
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Bigben
I do not think I will give a field report on the Fury. You will probably just hear about some of the things I will be able to do with this call and the sounds I like. This new equipment stuff takes a long time for me to make any assessments, let alone a field report. All I can say is this call is fun to mess around with use. So one report right now is!! I think this call is so advanced and fun to play with most people will play around with this slick call to much in the field during hunting season. When they really should be paying close attention to all the other needed details for hunting success. I personally hope to have the new toy thing resolved by fall and use it for carnivore killing not playing around with.
Ernie
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Has anyone tried the Primos Power Dogg? Just curious as to how this works and the results it gets
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from what I hear they are doing well. I know UB's brother has one and I think dreamcatcher has one. hopefully they can give some insite on it.
EW I did not want you to write one this second. more along your thoughts on it in a year after you use if for a bit.
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Love the Powerdogg. All of the predator calls on it are done by Randy Anderson. Myself, with limited use this season, called in a couple of coyote. Some fox too.
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Bigben
The reports will probably be just like I have started doing. I will talk about this Fury call from time to time as I find things out.
Ernie
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dreamcatcher
Apparently the power dog call can not be a too bad a call for the money because you guys are buying them. I personally have seen them and heard them in a big building and they seamed ok but I would have not purchase one. Any ways I probably did not pay real close attention to the call and just passed it off as just another electronic call. However, if the call works great for you guys that is all that matters.
Ernie
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The Powerdogg is an excellent tool for both coyotes and fox. I have called in 3 coyotes and numerous fox with it this year. I have heard reports of a few not working properly...Primos are correcting any of the problems. So if you buy one and it's not working properly then MAKE SURE YOU CONTACT PRIMOS to make it better because it's an awesome calling machine.
Like any of the remote callers you can get extra yards on this call by hanging it from a branch or placing it higher then the level ground.
I have had nothing but good results from mine.. I do use the best Alkaline batteries I can get my hands on for the Powerdogg....Namely the new Energizer that are 7 times stronger then the normal Alkaline...Number 5 setting is excellent too since most of us try to use to much volumna and it's not really need it. If there is anything that I do not like about the Powerdogg is the fieldmouse sound.....If you use this sound make sure you do not set the volumn on # 5 . 2 or even the 1 setting at least makes a field mouse or rodent sound that will call in predators....
I have called in one coyote using the FX5 too....Remember it's so important to hang the callers from a branch, tree, bush, bale of hay or place it on farm equipment.....
Powerdogg or FX5....Awesome for the lone hunter to outsmart an Eastern Coyote......
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While we are discussing electronics.....Even the Johnny Stewart Electronics with the remote are outstanding callers for the lone predator caller... Again they too should be hung from a branch, set on a bale of hay or on farm equipment. JS Preymaster with the remote and the JS Attractor 1 and 2. Like these two types of callers because of the sounds.... You just can't beat Johnny Stewart sounds.
When I first purchased the Attractor # 1 I had to ask myself...Why did I buy this if I already have other calls.. I have used this particular call and have called in red fox with it... Just recently.....I discovered that by hanging the Attractor from a tree and having good batteries in it... It will work more then the 50 yards away....Awesome!!!!!!!A remote caller,,, with good sounds, and if you don't get it at Clearance (I always Do) they cost $39.00. I now own the Attractor # 2 too...
If you know what your doing then any remote caller can call in a Eastern Coyote...
I think that every predator caller should have a remote calle or a couple of them.....YOu do not have to start off with an expenisve one.....$39.00 wow what a deal to be able to harvest predators with a remote caller at this price...
Should you own a Preymaster, Attractor, Powedogg, and or Foxpro......Yes...Rome was not built in a day so you could start off at the cheaper models and work your way up..... However don't let yourself think that a $39.00 caller is not an outstanding calling machine....However you have to know how to play with the coyotes brain....Now that is the real secret to calling them in with a remote caller....Just to go out in the wild and let a elecroinc caller play your probably going to call in a fox...
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As you all know the Spring Gobbler hunters do kill a lot of coyotes that come right in for the turkey calling.. No down wind attack..I talked to Spring Gobbler hunters that have had coyotes run right at them and they had to shoot them fast....
Also in Dauphin county I know of landowners that have found turkey remains consumed by coyotes and in one instances the landowner saw the coyote grab and kill a wild turkey.
What an awesome sound to call in coyotes in the Spring...Also one that is going to help the turkeys out too. You get one with a turkey sound and you surely killed a turkey eating coyote.....
Make sure when you get sounds on your elelctronic callers that you have a few turkey sounds added. Yelps for sure!!!
johnny Stewart makes the Attractor TT1 in the turkey calling model...What an awesome call this would be for Spring Time coyote hunting using turkey sounds... If you hang it from a bush it will work more then 50 yards too. However when using turkey sounds you probably want to set up just like a Spring turkey hunter in the deep woods.. $39.00 is not a bad price for an outstanding electronic caller.....However......Should you use a Foxpro, JS Preymaster with remote, and or the JS Attractor TT1. Makes ure your remote callers have a few turkey sounds on them for this reason........
Remember to read the Hunting Digest to make sure your legal when hunting coyotes in the Spring Gobbler season... I would not even attempt to use them in the hours that you can hunt turkey... To much trying to prove that your hunting coyotes when the wardens are looking at you and thinking your hunting turkey with an electronic caller.....
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I sent a defective PowerDogg back to Primos, which I stated in an earlier post. 3/14/09. I got a brand new one back today! I marked the other one so I know this is a new one. As soon as it stops raining I am going to try it out. Works fine in kitchen..Just wanted to post that it seems Primos stands behind their products with no hassel. Pretty quick turn around.
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Nice to hear that jaspr1. I know your going to get you one of them smart Eastern coyotes with it too.... Keep watching the down wind side... With some luck you will get the jump on them and pop them before they wind you when they make that down wind arc...As you know do not stay in line with the speaker...Also make sure you elevate it... Also use good alkaline batteries too...
Thing is good enough even for crow hunting...
The snow geese sound... I do like to throw that in at night when I am fishing along streams... You never know what will urge a coyote and or fox or even a coon to come into a call.... So even the Snow Geese sound just might be good...
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LEARNING the new FoxPro Fury
Went out calling before dark tonight and called a red fox in. This fox liked the baby cotton tail sound so much he or she made two leaps when it got close to the caller and jumped right on the FoxPro fury. Then freaked out and ran up to the top of the hill and stood there. Then it went down a hole and came back out. When I saw that I figured fox den up there maybe. So I started playing baby red fox distress and he or she made about two fast steps back towards the call and sat down and just watched. Then something was coming in from the right side of the fox and caused the fox to get up and leave. I saw nothing else and it got dark.
Before the hunt I was playing the fury with just the cone speaker playing and the horn speaker off. It sounded very real sounding that way to my ears. I tested the sound before I left the house and up to around 35 volume setting the sound was flawless but at 40 it started driving the speaker a little too hard and I did not like the sound as much. But at 25 to 35 volume setting max is as loud as I would ever play it to sound real.
However 25 volume is what level I using when the fox started coming too the sound and when he started coming closer I turned it down to 15 and it worked great. At least the fox thought so until he landed on the call.
Ernie
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I like to call different when I call coyotes compared to fox...Fox, bobcat, coon, I just let the electroinc caller rip away constant sound...Now the Fury might be good for the coyote hunter. I understand you can program sounds in and leave large gaps of silence. So the furry would go right through the entire calling coyote sequence with your desired sounds and then those critical periods of silence that are so important for calling in coyotes IMO.
Sometime when uisng remote callers the caller gets a little trigger happy...Just say they should wait the 8 minutes and they have to activate a sound at 3 minutes when they should have just shut up.....By programming the Fury and letting it rip through the periods of short sounds and the long periods of silence it could benefit a trigger happy coyote hunter like myself...
Another scenario could be......You want to play a certain sound however you want to move from your position way down from the speaker...You could program the Fury to activate for what you think would take you to move down to that spot...Say...program it to do a particular sound 10 minutes after the last one.. You know you want the sound to go at this point in time... You want to be posted at that site too... So this would be another reason for a programable electronic caller...
Over the years I have called in quite a few coyotes for other people using my mouth calls.... I like the Powerdogg because it allows me to skoot down the 100-200 yards so gee......So I can get a shot at the coyotes when I hunt myself and not just other people benefiting from my mouth calling... However if the Fury could be program like I referenced above that would even make it more better for me to get shots when I hunt coyotes by myself ......Now remember this just IMO on this.....
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anyone else see this?
http://www.gofoxpro.com/product_custom.php
alot bigger speaker in this one. basically using the same speaker as bill martz's WT call but has foxpro guts and remote in it. might get one this fall. I have found that my fx-5 does not seem to broadcast across a good range. only out in front. maybe the wider bell on the speaker will allow the sound to go out to the sides more?
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Bigben
I saw the link, neat. I guess FoxPro got tired of all this and that statements about how good WT calls are compared to FoxPro.
Ernie
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yep. now it seems the competition is saying they copied everything because foxpro is using the same speaker. if it works then what is the problem with using that speaker? I am seriously considering one of these if I like what I hear. the cone speaker on my fx-5 I believe has seen better days. maybe I need to compare to a new one? hard to say. but if this new toa speaker distriputes the sound out to the side better I think it would be better then what they currently have.
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Also as you all know you can add a add on speaker to the Foxpro products...I can do it to my cheaper Model 38 and my more expensive FX5....Make sure you never sale some of your speaker from other calls...The Preymaster, The Lohman, they all work on the foxpro... I have decided too...That I will use an add on speaker when I am hunting coyotes with my FX5.
I do think that is one of the reason why the Powerdogg is so good for outsmarting coyotes...Something to do about the speaker system in it....That IMO.....However so far I know of four hunter me included that have called in 12 coyotes with them....
I think when I add on the Lohman or the preymaster speaker to my FX5 and hang it in a tree...I could obtain the same results with my FX5.
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UncleBuck
I have at least a 1/2 dozen old large horn speakers, some are the big old long distance speakers Johnny Stewart use to sell. I might have to find the information on them and see if they are 8 ohms. Might be interesting just to see what would happen. FoxPro states they should be 8 ohms if used on there call I think. I will also have to change the plug on the end of the speaker wire.
Ernie
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Buckwheat I have seen those adapter at Radioshack that go from the large jack to the small jack... The female end is large and the large speaker jack would insert into that.. The male end of the adapter is the small jack... By all means make sure you check the Ohmns on the big speakers though. You do not want to burn up the Fury speakers....
I will do a visual on the small ones I have too make sure...They can't be much being that they do sport the small bell. However it's good to check the label....FP does sale the speakers for their untis too....