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Predator Hunting => Gear Bag => Topic started by: uncle buck on November 12, 2014, 09:04:59 PM
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Normally I do all my calling with mouth calls or hand calls.. However I got me a Primos Alpha Dogg caller. wow does that thing work great for predators.... I purchased it for coyote hunting but I have been doing well on fox with it...I do have all kind of electronics, 2 Foxpros, Primos Power Dogg, A few Stewarts, lohman, boombox, Kirk, ...I am really impressed with this Primos Alpha Dogg!!!!!!
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Their baby cottontail and baby jackrabbit and red fox sounds are outstanding on the Alpha Dogg for calling in predators....start off with the babes then go to the red fox sounds and they do come in a running...
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I see Cablea's have the Primos Alpha Dogg priced at $249.99 in their todays newspaper sales flyer. A $50 savings.
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What is nice about the Aplha Dogg is that they have some sounds programed that you just set the call up trigger the sound and just post and the Dogg goes through a yanking routine to lure in those coyotes. Food, mating, Territory type designated calling sequences.. Randy does the coyote vocals for you and you become the shooter... I do this with open reed calls but there are times I want to be the one that gets the shot too...Hence why I like a player like this... When I hunt alone! As you know the coyotes hone right in where the sound is coming from.. The electronics allow you to set up in the proper spot and take the shot..
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Go to www.RogersSportingGoods.com they have them on sale on their flyer for $199.99 ;) ;)
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I was playing around with the expert sounds last night while predator calling.. there is two on the Alpha that id the Coyote and the rabbit and the Coyote and Jack rabbit.. Also the coyote and the fawn...After it went through the coyote vocals the rabbit distress did bring in a red fox that was interested in why the coyotes were after the rabbit.. So just because something is designated as a coyote sound doesn't mean it won't call fox..This is the series of expert calling sounds that you trigger it find a good vantage spot and let the caller go through with all the coyote calling yanking... there are periods of silence on and that's what I like.. So for a new caller that can't make all of the coyote talk.. This electronic caller will do it for you.. I like it when I'm hunting myself and I want to use a shotgun or the wind is just blowing right to have the predator enter into the main sound beam of the caller while I'm just out of the range of my scent cone.. You have to ask yourself ok when the predator comes into the sound what is he going to do.. As you know they always get in the loudest part of the speaker sound cone.. Knowing where the wind is blowing.. What terrain is around the caller and where you place the speaker aimed you ... the lone shooter can have excellent chances of getting all kinds of predators.
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Tis is my 2nd year of using this and I asked myself.. I wonder how long this caller will last? Will I get my money worth out of I?.. 10 years ago I paid $99.00 for the Power Dogg caller... I still have it and it works great! So if you take care of things the cheaper callers should last you a long time...I never leave my batteries in any of my callers after I'm done calling...This includes my expensive FoxPro 's too. Again I want to let you know why I like this call... I yank chain when I call predators and this tool will do it.. However so will that $99.00 Power Dogg I still have too.. called many a coyote with that.. So can your Foxpros too...
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I called my 104 coyote with this call yesterday early morning. I like it big time!
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UB says-
I called my 104 coyote
Called.
How many did you kill?
UB says-
...with this call yesterday early morning.
You posted about 8-10 weeks ago that you started using this e-caller. Did you call all those Coyote with that call, in that time frame?
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No I have not killed all 104. I,m not like that BS that said He killed 100 coyotes in Pa with a 20 gauge shotgun. I have called them in for other people, so many were missed for all kinds of reasons. Mainly bad marksmenship, not being ready, they moved where I put them (human mind of man they know better ), just dumb founded when they appear. I missed some too LOL!
This was the first coyote I called using the Expert Coyote hunts on the Alpha Dog. I have called in quite a few with the Power Dogg. Mainly using open reed mouth calls and doing what the Alpha Dog Expert Hunts do.
what is great about this is i'm seeing a pattern of how coyotes think and act. I could come up with a good coyote excuse shirt. Something about having the wrong firearm has caused many a miss for me personally. What I have learned about that is don't take a rifle and a shotgun with you. You need to read your land and know right there what would be the best choice of firearm for the terrain.
Nice that I have hunted with a few PPHA members and we have called in Coyotes on hunts.
I know there are also a few on here that have called in coyotes with the cheap Power Dogg. Reason for that? That be Randy Anderson doing the coyote vocals on the cheap Power Dogg.
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i was watching Primos last night and Randy Anderson was on hunting coyotes in Canada. IMO he is the master of coyote talk. He was using mouth calls and Alpha Dog together. He had the Alpha Dog set up about 50 to 60 yards away. He had one set where they killed one coyote and knew there was another one behind it because of the way the first one was acting. he ended up killing the second one, the second one challenged him, as soon as i hear that I knew he was going to kill her. i was suprised on the calls he made and it was different than what i would have done. that 5 minute clip was such a good learning experience.
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Scott, am interested in the sounds Randy made. I didn't see the show.
Let me in on it.
I know many Coyote guys are using Coyote sounds on mouth calls and e-caller.
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While doing the PPHA red fox seminar at Port Matida I got to eat supper with Randy! While enroute to Fox Pro the evening before he simply said: " If you Pennsylvania guys want to call in coyotes do this! " That was in early April. One week later we, brother and I killed a 50 plus pound coyote near Union Deposit Dauphin County. I called it in and my brother Tom shot it with # 4 buckshot. ! That was in 2006! Since then I have called in many coyotes doing what he said to do. He truly is the real thing! His sounds, his shooting, and he knows how to yank their chain. If you can get his coyote vocals on your Foxpro's! Do it! That's why I like Primos callers! That be Randy on there calling! He is the real thing! No BS! He can talk the talk, shoot, and know how to yank a coyotes brain!
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Hern
Good to see everbody is getting reved up about coyotes and how to kill them. Feb 7 2015 come and see what you all think you know. Like I said to Hern last week you all know how to kill coyotes. You just do not know it.
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What makes you think we don't kill yotes??
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Scott
That is great that you do kill coyotes. I just never talk to any PPHA members that do kill more then one or two coyotes in there hunting lifetime. That is why i think that.
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How many stands and how many days do you think it takes Randy Anderson to make a video? No doubt he knows what he is doing but consider this. If you had unlimited time, unlimited resources, private lands that encompass hundreds if not thousand of acres, the backing of a major sports business who pays for your lodging and meals, plus travel expensive - you too could be called an expert.
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Coyotejohn... I agree with you that he has benefits to know people who will allow him to hunt good lands.. Like you said even his companies would get lands filled with predators...We just think that Randy has the big picture....I ask him how he makes all those running shots at coyotes... He told a group of us that ...If the coyote is from point blank to 100 yards to aim for the tip of his nose...However like anything else you best be following through to with your swing as you fire.. He then said past 100 yards you need to aim out farther out from the nose when you shoot... I think we have had discussions in the past about coyote vocalizations.. We here do believe that there is a challenge call, Invitational howl, Interrogation howl... We do build that into our calling scenario when calling the Eastern coyotes... That's what he does on his Expert Hunts that are on the Alpha Dogg . I recently read an article that he wrote about coyotoes in the winter time...He said that if there are coyotes there and you do a food sound... They will check it out...They need energy.. So many people set up all wrong and they get busted and don't even know they called in a coyote...The other night I was using the Alpha Dogg by myself...I used the Expert Hunt on it that was entitled Coyote with Cottontail...At about the 10 min mark of letting it go thorough the sequence.. I called in the coyote... So basic of calling yet but the food sound worked... Now here I'm on a farm that is big..One person with the Alpha Dogg just 40 yards to my side.. the wind blowing cross wind from me to the farmers barn...and shed... My plan was to have the farmers barn act like a scent break.. So what does the coyote do he comes to the speaker but instead of coming in from 364 degrees on the farm he approaches me between the farmers barn and shed. There I am looking at him or her and I can't shoot...that's how smart this one was... he used the protection of the barn and shed to come to my caller.. LOL Of course I could shoot him... He departed and he went into a tree line behind the barn and all I heard then was YIP YIP YIP YIP YIP!!! it was quite exciting... However he done busted me big time....I could see it over in the tree line in my mind ....haring it yip at me but having this biggest smile on it's face.. So here in the East this is what some of us run into that live in populated areas... I have a few tricks up my sleeve now when I go back to this farm...Randy couldn't tell me what to do here unless he experienced it first hand... He'd probably tell me what to do.. However his sounds do call them in...Do you still have the Power Dogg yet? I have called in quite a few coyotes with that already...I think you were going to allow your son to use it.. All these years and I still have mine...Only problem there is that you have the make the Power Dogg do the sequence unlike the Alpha Dogg that will do it all from when you just push the button...Sometimes I like to get away myself and call and I use the caller.. Most times I be the caller for the shooters!!!
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John. Very true. If I had the time and resources I could kill more. But certain guys have better skills than others. Two pros that have my respect are randy Anderson for his calling ability and les Johnson for his tournament wins alone.
I listen and talk to Uncle Buck a lot, if he ever wanted to take the leap into TV and being a pro I am sure he would do well.
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coyotejohn, good points. But am sure pro's earn what they have or achieved. Earned it the hard way. Not an easy life being a predator man making a living.
Getting a sponsor gotta be tough. Getting enough sponsors to make a decent living is even harder.
Professional Predator men have the desire, good work ethics, and a high skill level. Plus knowledge of animal behavior, the best equipment, good shooting skills and an open mind to keep learning and honing their skills. They are on top of their game.
Don't believe the videos and TV shows how easy it is. They are trying to sell something. A good video or TV show is there to sell products.
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Agreed, and like I said "no doubt he knows what he is doing". All I'm saying is that anybody that has what he does can also be called an expert. The videos on calling are a lot like the fishing programs many cast and many days with nothing to show for it. I don't consider most of these guys that make videos professional predator men, just professional movie makers. The exception being Les, I have hunted with him and also against him in KS, I will not mention how that turned out. :-[. G. Blair is another true predator man. We have two ADC guys out here that I would put in the same category as Blair and Les. One is being paid by the Mule Deer Foundation and the Antelope Foundation. Since he started two years ago the mule deer fawn survival rate has increased by 17% and antelope by 6%, these are the guys that are true professional predator men. Johnson and Blair, when he was younger, also participated in contest hunts, not sure but I don't think Anderson does.
UB, bought that for my son and I'm not sure if he still has it or not. He moved up to the Phoenix area and we don't get to see much of him anymore. Whenever he visits it seems that I am always one rifle or shotgun or pistol short when he leaves.
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In 30+ years of hunting in my area (MontCo)....I've never seen or heard a coyote.
I hear about one being trapped or shot every couple of years but, I've never seen one myself (around here).
Red fox.....those we have.......coyote.....I'm sure there's a couple around but, I honestly beleive that I'd wasting my time targeting them (here).
I do love hearing about you guys knocking them down upstate though.