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Title: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Gamegetter on December 10, 2009, 07:32:28 AM
I was just wondering what everyones thoughts were with using semi-auto firearms to hunt predators and varmints? Not Deer or large game, or birds! mainly coyotes, fox, and groundhogs ect.........?
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: lone howler on December 22, 2009, 09:49:45 PM
I had the same thoughts. I would love to make my next predator rifle one of the new Remington semi auto .223s R-15.   But i would think the PGC won't consider it as they think people will just start "blasting" away at things.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bdawg on January 13, 2010, 06:48:47 PM
it would be great if it was legal to use  my ar-15 for coyotes in pa, sign me up, how do we get it done??
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: jaspr1 on January 14, 2010, 06:35:25 AM
I had the same thoughts. I would love to make my next predator rifle one of the new Remington semi auto .223s R-15.   But i would think the PGC won't consider it as they think people will just start "blasting" away at things.
They would be right. I have a "Black Rifle", I cannot shoot it at the local Sportmans Club. This courtesy of those few who can never be satisfied with doing things the right way..That is why we have so much posted property, a thank-you for that individual with no common sense who shot the guys cat, drove in his field, left the gate open, dumped his trash, shot in the safety zone, etc....Can you imagine the field day the anti's would have if they were legalized and some idiot was caught acting poorly..most people associate this type of firearm with the military and not sport hunting...camo clad individuals jumping out of vehicles with "machine guns" just like the 6 o'clock news..and right or wrong some farmers might not allow them on their land..jmo
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: uncle buck on January 16, 2010, 09:31:23 PM
AR's for hunting predators? Wow would like to use one.a 223..However when it comes down to it...99% of the time you only get one shot at night time be it with a rifle or a shotgun..My single shot Encores are outstanding predators guns. Um been using a 10 gauge singel shot this year too....However daytime hunting out of state or even in Pa that might be nice to have a 2nd shot available?

I would not even mind if they said:  Pa Hunters you can use an AR or semiatutomatic but only during day light hours...
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: DaveyC on March 03, 2010, 10:15:44 AM
I have a petition up and running at www.ipetitions.com/petition/semi-riflesinpa
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Deerhtr on January 03, 2012, 08:40:21 AM
I signed this Petition and would like to see it changed even just for Predator Hunters.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bootmud on January 03, 2012, 09:14:51 AM
I am opposed to semi's for predator hunting in Pa.  I think it is overkill and not neccessary.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: coyotenightmare on January 03, 2012, 10:48:59 AM
I think semi-autos should be legal just the same as cross bows are legal. If the individual using a semi is blasting around at anything his priviledge to hunt should be revoked. No matter what weapon said individual has, he won't use it safely or properly. Having an AR 223 to hunt predators here in pa is a dream and will probably remain a dream. Hunting fox and coyote is different than deer, and when you call in the day time a fast follow up second shot can put a 2nd coyote on the ground. If the PGC allows them, I just might treat this whole club to a shrimp party! 
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Deerhtr on January 03, 2012, 11:04:15 AM
I agree, it should be a matter of choice and for Predator Hunting only. I shouldn't have to travel out of state to use a firearm of my "choice"  IMO
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Claybird on January 03, 2012, 02:05:50 PM
feer the govrment that feers your semi
wat makes a gun overkill in a sport of overkill
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bootmud on January 03, 2012, 02:30:50 PM
feer the govrment that feers your semi
wat makes a gun overkill in a sport of overkill

I respect you opinion to want to use a different weapon that what I use...  but did you get an email or letter from the PGC or State or Fed. gov't about them not wanting semi's for pred hunting in Pa?  Did they give a reason for being fearful?
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bootmud on January 03, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
I agree, it should be a matter of choice and for Predator Hunting only. I shouldn't have to travel out of state to use a firearm of my "choice"  IMO

If it should be a matter of choice... why only pred hunters?  Why not deer and bear hunters as well?  Shouldn't they have a choice?

I'm not trying to be ignorant, just would like to hear more reasoning as to why somebody wants all this fire power for a 10 lb fox or a 40 lb coyote.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Deerhtr on January 03, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
I say yes to Deer and Bear as long as they are not in use during a drive.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Team Howler on January 03, 2012, 06:44:51 PM
We are already approved to use semi shotguns. Why not rifles? Every other state your allowed to use semi rifles. Why does pa always have to the last to change its hunting laws. Pa is behind the times. We have hunters that are afraid of change. Though some of you may not think its necessary, I do believe it's our right to have this option.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bootmud on January 03, 2012, 07:25:23 PM
I don't know if all states besides Pa allow semi rifles or not, I would think not all allow it though. 

The PGC considers hunting a priveledge not a right so I don't know what they would say to that??

Like I said, I'm not really arguing just trying to figure out why so many people want all the fire power for such small game, I just don't understand?
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Team Howler on January 03, 2012, 10:06:24 PM
bootmud, I should have said most states. Misinformative on my part. Sorry! The PGC is twisted in some of there ideas. It seems like the pa legislature is stepping in lately to change some of these laws that have been in place for to long. Such as the license change that just taken place. I'm not trying to step on toes, it's just something I would like to see change. The firepower hasent changed its still common varmint loads. Just how quick you can get the next round off. :) I believe this will be a hot topic in the near future. I look forward to seeing the opinions of both sides. Thanks bootmud for your opinion. I respect it!
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bootmud on January 04, 2012, 06:52:02 AM
Team Howler,

I generally accept change very well but it's just difficult for me to picture the Pa woods with hunters toting AR style rifles.  I certainly don't want to be the guy to say one weapon is best for all hunters, I don't want that done to me so I guess I'll just say... Good luck in your pursuit to legalize semi's...  To each their own.  :) 
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: foxpro51 on January 04, 2012, 08:22:04 AM
To many hunters to use semi- for deer or bear. To dangerous
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bdawg on January 04, 2012, 08:44:51 AM
its not the type of gun that makes hunting more or less dangerous its the person behind it, guns dont kill , the person using it does. Someone whos unsafe with a semi is gonna be just as unsafe with a bolt or lever or single shot, i dont want to use my ar to just go out and spray lead all over the woods, if that was the case i can do that now at any number of places and still be safe with backstops etc
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: coyotenightmare on January 04, 2012, 10:48:52 AM
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The PGC considers hunting a priveledge not a right

This is one area where I disagree with the PGC. The animals are God's animals. Not the states or the governments. They were created for man to use for food and clothing. Hunting, trapping, or fishing are simply ways to use what God has created for our own good. Wasteful killing whether its of deer for antlers or any other animals for whatever reason is a violation of man's responsability to 'have dominion' over the animals.   Since predators are man's competition in the food chain, should we not control them the best method possible? Using an AR would increase the chances to get that second coyote or fox. 
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: coyotenightmare on January 04, 2012, 11:51:22 AM
The right for man to hunt, trap, etc should be revoked when abused.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Lookn4Fur on January 04, 2012, 12:01:45 PM
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The PGC considers hunting a priveledge not a right

This is one area where I disagree with the PGC. The animals are God's animals. Not the states or the governments. They were created for man to use for food and clothing. Hunting, trapping, or fishing are simply ways to use what God has created for our own good. Wasteful killing whether its of deer for antlers or any other animals for whatever reason is a violation of man's responsability to 'have dominion' over the animals.   Since predators are man's competition in the food chain, should we not control them the best method possible? Using an AR would increase the chances to get that second coyote or fox.

We don't really have competition for food except from each other.  Maybe back in the 1800's.  I'm guessing that predator hunters are roughly ten percent or less of the hunting population and hunters represent  ten percent of the population.  So to say we want semi's for just predator hunters does nothing for hunting and even less for predator hunters as we are a very small minority grouping.  Dare I say may even hurt us becuse it makes us look like a selfish elite group.  You would have better luck and response addressing semis for the entire hunting/shooting environment.  This takes organization and communication with other associations/clubs/groups/politicians within the industry.

I like to see discussion on issues like this as it gives me insight on what others like my self think.  I for one however, do not see the need for Semi's to hunt with.  Thanks to all for keeping the discussion civil. 
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: foxtrot on January 04, 2012, 03:28:12 PM
I could imagine the harm that could be caused by the use of semis for hunting.Someone misses their first shot and in the heat of the moment rattles off the remaining clip in hopes of getting the escaping critter.Who knows were the bullets are flying especially at night.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Claybird on January 04, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
We are already approved to use semi shotguns. Why not rifles? Every other state your allowed to use semi rifles. Why does pa always have to the last to change its hunting laws. Pa is behind the times. We have hunters that are afraid of change. Though some of you may not think its necessary, I do believe it's our right to have this option.

bingobongo
a rifles acton is not firepower
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: foxpro51 on January 04, 2012, 03:51:45 PM
To DANGEROUS. To populated for semis. Some bullets go 5 miles. Shotguns only go in yards. Against.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bootmud on January 04, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
We are already approved to use semi shotguns. Why not rifles? Every other state your allowed to use semi rifles. Why does pa always have to the last to change its hunting laws. Pa is behind the times. We have hunters that are afraid of change. Though some of you may not think its necessary, I do believe it's our right to have this option.

bingobongo
a rifles acton is not firepower

fire·pow·er (frpour)
1. The capacity, as of a weapon, weapons system, military unit, or position, for delivering fire.


Sounds like a perfect description to me. ;)
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Leglifter on January 04, 2012, 06:02:36 PM
We are already approved to use semi shotguns. Why not rifles? Every other state your allowed to use semi rifles. Why does pa always have to the last to change its hunting laws. Pa is behind the times. We have hunters that are afraid of change. Though some of you may not think its necessary, I do believe it's our right to have this option.

bingobongo
a rifles acton is not firepower

Wow you typing has really improved! Flowin like a Faucet
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: foxpro51 on January 04, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
Only Rambo wants a semi.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bdawg on January 04, 2012, 08:04:46 PM
so a 223 from a bolt action travels less distance and is safer than a 223 from a semi auto??? ive heard quicker shootin in the hunting woods than ive ever shot my ar or ak or hk or any other of my semi autos.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: uncle buck on January 04, 2012, 09:53:53 PM
I wonder how many states that border Pa allow the use of semiautomatic rifles and hand guns for hunting?
Would be nice to see of all 50 states which ones allow the use of semiautomatic rifles and hand guns for hunt and which ones don't allow it..

The safety hunting statistics for all the states would be nice to compare too:  Semiautomatic states VS Non-semiautomatic states hunting fatality figures for rifle hunting.   

You would think the gun companies that make the semiautomatic guns would lobby in Pa for the use of semiautomatics for hunting  like the crossbow companies did.. ???????
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: uncle buck on January 04, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
There are a lot of pro and con about using semiautomatic to hunt predators... Surely people that hunt with semiautomatic shotguns for legal game have experienced malfunctions of their semiautomatic shotguns. This would happen at night with rifles and hand guns too... Could be the end of your hunt for the night.. Ah nothing like the use of a single shot for night time hunting.. drop one bullet in the chamber close it up and your ready... Bolt actions could and are a pain at night too to be honest with you...Semi could be worse.. At least bolt action you can use as a single shot if the magazine is not working for you (sometimes) unless you bolt won't close on you at all..   


I recently hunted with two Texans in Texas...They had semiautomatic rifle and shotgun... They were so good of a shot they only fired once...They didn't need a 2nd shot.  Me I was using a Savage 24 V shotgun rifle combo..That killed a coyote too...Kind of like a single shot gun.. One rifle shot or one shotgun shot..


In Pa you would have to know you territory before you used the semiautomatic..  If you have wide open land to shoot on you could use it safely and twilight conditions... If it was pitched dark then the semiautomatic  would not even be feasible..

Laws many times they are not logical or realistic...New York State... You can use semiautomatics but I don't think you can hunt at night with lights..?????See law makers that have to approve this just don't really know.. It's their gut feeling on things not what is right nor what is wrong..

Here in Pa hunters feelings on use or not the use of semiautomatic rifles and  hand guns are gut feelings most times too..Maybe if someone came from another state and moved here that hunter would know for sure if it was safe or not.. Many of us don't know because we never even hunted with a semiautomatic.. Again also same applies for the law makers.. They are saying NO but they don't know if it's safe or not either...
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Lifes2fun on January 04, 2012, 11:18:54 PM
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The PGC considers hunting a priveledge not a right

This is one area where I disagree with the PGC. The animals are God's animals. Not the states or the governments. They were created for man to use for food and clothing. Hunting, trapping, or fishing are simply ways to use what God has created for our own good. Wasteful killing whether its of deer for antlers or any other animals for whatever reason is a violation of man's responsability to 'have dominion' over the animals.   Since predators are man's competition in the food chain, should we not control them the best method possible? Using an AR would increase the chances to get that second coyote or fox.

The PGC isn't the one that decided that hunting is a priviledge. The elected officials of the legislature have made that determination.

There are many opinions on why semi auto rifles are not legal, some say fair chase, some say safety.
As much as I love my AR, I dont think it projects a very sporting image to the 90% of the non-hunting community in PA.
Lets take a look back at punt guns

As a side note, semi auto shotguns are not legal for deer or bear
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bdawg on January 16, 2012, 07:21:08 PM
anybody watch predator nation last nite?? i only caught part of it there were 36 teams hunting, fred eichler and his team were  using ars with night vision scopes, im sure others were also, didnt seem any more dangerous to me, didnt see anybody unloadin 30 rounders rapid fire, nobody got shot and it was on public tv.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Deerhtr on January 16, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
I watched it this morning (DVR) thought it was good. COOL hat.
No, I didn't see any of that happening.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: jeremybrua on January 25, 2012, 09:13:50 PM
if it came up to vote, i would vote NO for semi autos for big game!  there are enough idiots out there hunting deer.  if it would pass i would not hunt during rifle season.  i would try not to even leave the house.

now for predators and small game i would vote yes, with a 5 shot limit.  the reason is there are a 1/50 of the people out there hunting yotes and fox.  even with small game you are not likely to get off more than 2 or 3 shots.  that's all we need is some jack off fireing off 30 rounds at a deer running across a field.  i would expect the PGC to hand out a shovel and sand bags with your license if it passed.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: bigben on January 26, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
I vote no for any semi auto rifle for any game.  two many people have the spray and prey mentality.  some people can work a pump or a lever pretty fast.  sounds like some might already be using semis for deer.  give someone a ar-15 platform with 4 quick follow up shots your gonna see alot more wounded game in general. 
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: dreamcatcher on January 26, 2012, 03:02:20 PM
I used to hunt deer in NJ. Semi auto shotguns were legal. I heard guys empty their guns in mere seconds and I don't see how, after the first shot, the next ones could have been aimed, what with the recoil. I would also vote no.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: screamn in the nite on January 27, 2012, 12:16:06 AM
I have no problem with the idea of legalizing semi auto rifles for predator and varmint hunting. Unfortunatly I think there is a group that hunts coyotes with dogs already using them in my area  >:(  I know they were running them last week, and it sounded like a war zone. Nobody can cycle a gun's action as fast as those shots were going off!!! I would report it but I live in the country (only 3 houses on my road) and they would be long gone before anyone could get here. As long as we have "bad apples" like that around I don't see much hope in a law getting passed.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: mountainmen80 on February 21, 2012, 09:39:28 PM
I can understand maybe not letting the use of semi auto rifles on public land just because of some of the idiots out there, but i dont see why we could'nt use a semi auto rifle on private land
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Pa Goosehntr on February 22, 2012, 11:50:16 AM
L2F..."Lets take a look at punt guns"......now you are comparing a floating cannon to a semi...lets get back on track.. :) Punt Guns were used by the market duck hunters of the late 1800s, early 1900s to float up on a raft of ducks or geese resting on the water primarialy at nite.  Yes it had devastating results killing hunderds with one discharge. 8)
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Lifes2fun on February 22, 2012, 07:58:06 PM
Goose I am not comparing them efficiency wise, I am comparing them to an image they project.

It projects a para military image rather than a sporting image...just bad PR IMO

I'm not saying that semi's are the work of the devil, I own quite a few. Love to shoot them. I wouldn't say they are more accurate or less accurate than a manually operated rifle, that depends on the shooter and gun setup. I wouldn't say they are unsafe (any gun is unsafe in the wrong hands)

They have their pros, and cons, but the last thing I want is to project hunting as an individual out with his 30-40 round mag loaded in his urban assault rifle decked out in his BDU's

Again....this is JMHO on the subject
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Pa Goosehntr on February 23, 2012, 06:26:27 AM
What I would like to inject into this is  "Semi-Autos"  Please, for those who surf our sight when we are on one of these topics...refine it a little....The discussion as I see it is targeting semi-auto rifles and hand guns......not semi-auto shotguns... :P  Just my 2¢
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Cooper13 on May 04, 2012, 01:16:12 PM
i think they should be legal for all game with a 3 round limit...if you need more than 3 then IMO u shouldnt be out shooting at animals in the first place...Most Public ranges only allow 3 rounds in a magazine at a time (rifle) and i believe that should be the cap with Semi-Auto Rifles while hunting.
MY VOTE"

YES with limitations
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: takemrarely on June 30, 2012, 07:09:39 AM
I would not want to see this happen in PA.

I believe that most of the ground swell to change this comes from those who already own a semi-auto rifle of some sort.

My thought is....you knew when you bought the gun that it was not legal for predators...why should that change since you bought one?

As someone already stated....people have killed 4 lb fox and 40 lb coyotes just fine w/o them....there is no NEED to change.....
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Papa1 on July 24, 2013, 09:16:15 PM
Hey folks,  Just saw this again.  We need members.  I wonder how many we got after these posts.  I have 2 AR's.  My wife has an M&P 15 S&W and I have a Springfield SOCOM 16.  Both for our keeping alive if some fool means otherwise.  No semi-Auto hunting rirles--BUT--I don't care what you use.  Dick
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: takemrarely on July 31, 2013, 04:52:36 AM
I think the fact that it has been 13 months since the last post on this thread shows that it would be an uphill battle to get enough support to make this happen.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: BoonDoc on January 01, 2014, 12:20:02 AM
Hunters are our own worst enemy some times. 
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Josh Campbell on March 30, 2014, 08:04:36 PM
I would vote yes on the use of them for varmints and predators. Having used on the take a coyote in Kansas I can attest to them making a quick follow up shot.  I had a female come in late in the afternoon, when I barked to stop her she turned quickly right when I shot. Never lost her in the scope and put her down with the next shot in under 2 seconds.  Very doubtful I could have pulled that off with a bolt gun.
         
Why would a semi be different than a bolt or single shot  when it comes to what's beyond where you are shooting? With any firearm You should be sure of that.

I've been out on the Game Lands during bear season and it's like a war zone out there, can't see much difference with a semi or a lever gun, either way the same guys would be shooting as fast as they can anyway. I very much doubt most hunters would treat one any different than an action of any other sort. Don't see the problem.

I felt the same as some of you guys til I got one specifically to take to Kansas to hunt predators with. The ability to take a quick follow up shot and have very little recoil will help lower the amount of wounded animals. No more fumbling for another round for a single shot or running the bolt in a bolt gun.  BTW Kansas has no limit on mag capacity. Now with mine after the first day it didn't have any more than 5 rounds in the mag, too dang heavy. Knowing a few guys that hunt them in Ohio I can also take it there hunting predators and groundhogs.  I can take it to Virginia when I visit my uncle and hunt with it there. Many of the southern eastern states allow their use and they're just as populated as PA.

As for night hunting,  how would you even shoot multiple times in quick succession? Every time I've shot at anything at night I've been blinded for a few seconds by the muzzle flash, never got a follow up shot at anything I've missed.

Accuracy is a moot point, my AR in .204 shoots way better than any of my other guns. Avg .75" 5 shot groups.
Anyone shooting calibers that aren't .223 or 5.56 more than likely aren't goin to want to hammer off a mag full of ammo because of the expense. I know I wouldn't with my .204.
I also believe it would improve accuracy for some people as they would be less prone to flinching with the extremely low recoil of the AR.

Sure you're gonna have the same idiots hammering off rounds if it's allowed for big game, no different that the idiots out the doing it already. A semi-auto isn't going to make it worse. Jeez, even Canada allows the use of semi-auto rifles, just not AR's. Don't see a problem with limiting it to predators and varmints, it's working in Ohio.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Pa Goosehntr on June 12, 2016, 07:15:10 AM
 >:( >:( >:( Two years and a couple of months since last post  ??? ??? ??? does anybody know the latest status on this matter?  :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Huntin 4 yotes on June 12, 2016, 07:54:28 AM
I heard it's still in the house and they can sit on it for some time.  Big thing going now is bill 1166
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Pa Goosehntr on June 12, 2016, 09:02:52 AM
Yea that will pass...I see little to no resistance on that one...
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: coyotejohn on June 12, 2016, 03:16:56 PM
I probably should stay away from controversial topic such as this - as I know some of you are kinda thin skinned - but what the hell.  I read through some of the post and some things that stand out, at least to me.  One was the AR portrays a bad image, what does that mean?  Does it mean that since it is a miltary weapon it's a bad image, guess what some of our snipers are using -Win 70's and Rem 700's should we say that is also a bad image, how about camouflage clothing - bad image???  Some say predators and varmints only I just don't understand that, why not all huntable critters.  Others say there will be more wounded game, how did they come to this conclusion, a round from a bolt rifle will also wound a animal.  Some of you sound like the anti-gun crowd, blame the weapon and not the person behind the weapon. 

ArmAlite .223 has killed many coyotes and not one person, I blame that on the shooter and not the rifle. 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/johnp18/Coyotes/JasonsFirstCoyote003.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/johnp18/media/Coyotes/JasonsFirstCoyote003.jpg.html)

DPMS .223, killed another coyote but has yet to kill a person, again it's the shooter who is at fault and not the weapon.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/johnp18/Coyotes/075.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/johnp18/media/Coyotes/075.jpg.html)

Another DPMS LR-308 this poor weapon has not killed any coyotes or people but has been responsible for the death of more than one deer.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/johnp18/Weapons/IMGP1887_zpszscdkuk3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/johnp18/media/Weapons/IMGP1887_zpszscdkuk3.jpg.html)

Another one of them bad image weapons, ArmAlite .223, this gun needs to be locked up as it has killed an untold number of coyotes but again not one single person - bad gun.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/johnp18/Weapons/VortesScope005.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/johnp18/media/Weapons/VortesScope005.jpg.html)

How about that 10/22 you have sitting in the safe - same action as any AR should we not hunt with them?  This monster has not killed any people but was responsible in the death of this chicken killer.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/johnp18/Cats/Bobcat.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/johnp18/media/Cats/Bobcat.jpg.html)

Out here we trust our gun owners - no restriction on any type of action, no magazine limits except as established by the feds.  When I was hunting on the border I carried my AR with a 30 round magazine inserted plus two in my pack along with my Sig 1911, 45ACP with three 15 round magazines. 

I no longer have any of my AR's as my hunting days are all but over but I didn't sell any of them - my grandsons now have them and know how to use them.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: coyotejohn on June 12, 2016, 03:33:21 PM
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Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Pa Goosehntr on June 12, 2016, 03:53:21 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL-LOL....my Ruger Mini-14 is black...so it's bad also!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) It has only killed paper to date!! :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: coyotejohn on June 13, 2016, 01:01:32 PM
I think that what happened in Orlando just killed your AR proposal.  Politicians just don't have the backbone to pass any new pro-gun laws, just anti-gun laws, particularly in a liberal state such as PA.   Not saying anybody here is a liberal but the state as a whole is.  We have the same problem here, Tucson & Phoenix are anti-gun but the rest of the state is pro-gun.  Fortunately our rural communities out number the city scum.
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Pa Goosehntr on June 13, 2016, 01:23:48 PM
 >:( >:( >:( >:( Yea with Pittsburgh and Philadelphia were screwed... :P :P :P :P :P :P they have too many numbers legal/illegal...they all vote... :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Pa Goosehntr on November 16, 2016, 08:11:57 AM
 >:( >:( >:( OK, I thought this was a done deal due to the amount of support it got in the House and Senate...no matter if Gov signed it or not....what's up? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: foxhound on November 16, 2016, 03:26:06 PM
Goose, if I remember correctly,  this bill gives the Game Commission the authority to determine what firearms are legal and for what seasons. I believe it originally started out as a bill to allow them for predators, but morphed into something different. I could be wrong...
Title: Re: Semi-autos for hunting predators / varmints?
Post by: Predator53 on November 28, 2016, 11:29:59 AM
My sources have told me....Wolf signed it before thanksgiving....!