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Predator Hunting => Predator Hunting => Topic started by: wfo204 on December 24, 2013, 07:19:16 PM
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Is there such a thing as a predator grandslam? If there is what is it or how many different grand slams would there be for us predator hunters, when you include the different kinds of fox and coyotes and cats and all the other critters. Just seeing what you guys think or know.
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I have never heard of one, but if there were, I would include: Coyote, Bobcat, red fox and gray fox. Other options could include the Fischer. Thats my opinion!
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What about the all of North America like mountain lion, wolf, lynx and all the predators of North America not just Pa. You also have easter and western coyotes. So I'm wondering if there could be a couple grand slams for predators.
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Never thought of it.
But I would consider a quad, at one stand, on any species...or
Here in Pennsylvania...
Red
Grey
Coon
Coyote
Bobcat
Any 4 of the above species in a day/night's calling
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Either way that slam would be sweet....Rusty
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What if we actually made a club designation? Break it down into different slams. You could submit pictures to your district officer and in turn he could issue certificates. You would only be eligible for 1 certificate in each category per year. It seems like participation is waning and this might be a good incentive. I have some good ideas for categories and will post them later.
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I think its a good idea. PM Rick (Zekedog) and we can bring it up in our next officers meeting.
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I've done a slam many times while trapping. Neat to pull up to set location and 4 furbearers waiting for you.
I've shot doubles and triples while Canine calling on one stand. Only kill quads or better calling Coon on one stand.
sc,
Would certificate be awarded for:
one stand, 4 same species?
one stand, multi species?
multi stands with 4 species?
multi stands with 4 same species?
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A bunch of good ideas for our officers but I would add one thing. PAID PPHA MEMBERS ONLY. Dick
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I would think that an easy starter would be to have the members post ideas and have officers vote on them. Here would be some of my ideas though. These are just some ideas with different categories. Like I said it would be best to have everyone post their ideas.
PPHA Trappers Elite Slam-Harvest all furbearers in one season with a trap.
PPHA Trappers Slam-Harvest a coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat with a trap in one season
PPHA Season Mixed Slam-Harvest a coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat in a season by either trapping or using a shotgun/rifle
PPHA Season Shotgun Slam-Harvest a coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat with the same shotgun in a season
PPHA Season Rifle Slam-Harvest a coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat with the same rifle in a season
PPHA Fox Elite Slam-Harvest 3 fox on 1 stand
PPHA Fox Slam-Harvest 2 fox on 1 stand
PPHA Fox Special Slam-Harvest 1 red fox and 1 grey fox in one (24) hour period
PPHA Coyote Elite Slam-Harvest 2 coyotes on 1 stand
PPHA Coyote Slam-Harvest 2 coyotes in one (24) hour period
PPHA Raccoon Elite Slam-Harvest 2 coons on 1 stand
PPHA Raccoon Slam-Harvest 3 coons in one (24) hour period
PPHA Bobcat Slam-Harvest a Bobcat in Pa
PPHA Canine Slam-Harvest a coyote, red fox, and grey fox in one (24) hour period
PPHA Master Elite Slam-Harvest a coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat in a (48) hour period.
PPHA Master Slam-Harvest 4 of one species on one stand
PPHA Youth Master Slam- Harvest a coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat in one season.
PPHA Youth Quad Slam-Harvest 4 of the following in one season. Coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat.
PPHA Youth Triple Slam-Harvest 3 of the following in one season. Coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat.
PPHA Youth Double Slam-Harvest 2 of the following in one season. Coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat.
PPHA Youth Slam-Harvest 1 of the following in one season. Coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat.
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sc says-
...to have the members post ideas
Here's mine...
I think we should leave trapping out of it.
Keep the grand slam award simple.
- 4 critters on one stand (would be remarkable)
and/or
- 4 different species within one outing (Pa. predators, not 2 Reds, 1 Coon, 1 Grey, but 4 different species) (that would be obtainable )
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HERN say's :
I think we should leave trapping out of it.
I agree! We are a hunters assoc not a trappers assoc. While a good many of our members do both, that does not change the fact that we are a hunter's assoc. JMHO
I do like the idea and I also think that it should only be available to paid members.
I also think that if we were to do something like this and had 21 awards like Shadowchaser has suggested that it would just dilute it to the point that it wouldn't mean much. again JMHO...Rick
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I think we should leave trapping out of it.
I agree
- 4 different species within one outing (Pa. predators, not 2 Reds, 1 Coon, 1 Grey, but 4 different species) (that would be obtainable )
This one gets my vote
I also think that if we were to do something like this and had 21 awards like Shadowchaser has suggested that it would just dilute it to the point that it wouldn't mean much. again JMHO...Rick
Good point. If you have to look at the list when you get back from your hunt to see if it is a slam of some sort, there are too many
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I'm not saying that we need to have 21 awards. These were just some ideas. I personally would like to see a bit of diversity to allow hunters of all ages and skill levels to achieve something that is attainable to their specific situations. The goal would be to attract more membership with this type of incentive. Maybe 1 certificate with all achievements listed on it and then decide on an Ultimate PA Predator Slam achievement. If I had to choose one for this it would be PPHA Master Predator Slam-Harvest a coyote, red fox, grey fox, raccoon, and bobcat with a rifle/shotgun and only by calling. It could be a specific time frame or season. That sounds easy, but really how many of us have actually done that? There are always going to be a handful that are above the pack.
A Pa Slam is the successful taking of a Buck, Bear, and gobbler in 1 season I believe. Sounds simple, but how many of us have actually done it?
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I think it is a great idea however, the officers need to think of the club as far as revenue and expenditures goes. It takes money to create, print, (maybe frame?) and mail some type of certificate or award. In my opinion there should be an application fee to cover the cost of these expenses.
In addition, if you make the slam too easy then it cheapens or diminishes it's value and eventually nobody finds it challenging and the idea dies a slow death. The tougher the goal (to an extent), the sweeter the reward.
I agree no trapping and must be a member. I also think that a district officer should have to confirm the slam in person. This would help with possible cheating and get more members and officers together. Maybe hand the awards out at a district meeting? JMHO
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I think a certificate signed by the club president and vp only would be suffice. Then the person could decide how he/she would like to display it. As for cost you could have the first one free and any other have a small fee.
I agree making something too easy does diminish it in some eyes. All I am saying is that I personally would like to see something that is attainable by the average predator hunter. Looking at other "slams" they are unreasonable for the average joe. I don't have the money to complete any of those. I can't hunt Africa or travel the world in search of a turkey. I'm lucky to call in one predator in a week on the public land I hunt. Yes I listed 21 achievements. Just because its not an achievement to one doesn't mean its not to another. I'm not arguing that we have to have all of them. If you don't want to apply for a specific one because you feel its not an achievement for you then don't. Just like buck hunting. Some guys are thrilled to even harvest a buck and some guys aren't satisfied unless it a monster.
We are trying to create something that is for our club. It needs to be challenging, yet obtainable by the masses. It is hard to find a happy medium with anything. Either way I'm not an officer its not my decision. I paid my money to renew without thought for any type of gain or reward. I just know that when I first joined there was a lot more chatter on the boards. Every district had a hunt. I support our group and will continue to. I would just like to see it prosper for future generations to enjoy.
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Another thing to think about
Is this something that should be at the District level?
The far southeastern PA has literally 100 times more fox than here in the northwest, but we have grays, more coyotes and can shoot bobcat.....
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I'm watching Fox Pro Furtakers and their goal at the beginning was to harvest a Red Fox, Grey Fox, Coyote, and Bobcat in one trip because they have never done it before. Maybe it was just in Virginia they never did it, but that sounds like a difficult accomplishment.