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Title: A caliber for coyotes, coons and fox?
Post by: Team Howler on December 28, 2011, 08:55:27 AM
I have a question for you. When you hunt fox what caliber rifle do you use? My wife got me a kill light predator kit for christmas and what to give night hunting a try. I have a 22-250 and a 243 rifle that i can use. I want to use something that wont mess up the hide on foxes and coons. But i want to be able to take a coyote if the chance comes up. I'm reloading nosler ballistic tips right now but i'm think of going to a solid partition bullet to save hides. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: A caliber for coyotes, coons and fox?
Post by: Seeking_Coyotes on December 28, 2011, 09:50:05 AM
22 hornet
17 Rem. Fireball
17 Remington (maybe)
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Post by: Claybird on December 28, 2011, 12:08:20 PM
solid bulet for sure
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Post by: Grass Stain on December 28, 2011, 01:21:17 PM
Use the 22-250  a 243 is gonna blow a hole in em.
Title: Re: A caliber for coyotes, coons and fox?
Post by: Grass Stain on December 28, 2011, 01:28:22 PM
As for the loading If you hit a yote with a solid its gonna blow right through em ,Yeah a small hole ,but if you are hunting them at night you may find yourself losing more than you find cause they are gonna run and your gunna have to track em.But if your huntin daytime all is well.
 Play around a bit and see what works best for your situation and if all else fails ,you are having fun..

 Good Luck
Title: Re: A caliber for coyotes, coons and fox?
Post by: 22hornet on January 07, 2012, 09:30:42 AM
Boy savage has the 17 hornet rifle in the works.Hornady is making ammo. This could be the cat's whiskers for close range fox, coons or called in yotes. Looks easy to reload ( all but handling the 17caliber bullets ). Get the tweezers.
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Post by: foxpro51 on January 07, 2012, 01:57:47 PM
Full metal bullets are not legal in pa.
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Post by: Seeking_Coyotes on January 07, 2012, 03:28:47 PM
How much different will the 17 Hornet be from the 17 Fireball?
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Post by: CoyoteJeff on January 08, 2012, 12:51:44 PM
For a all around gun i would go with the 223 cal. with a 55 grain soft tip bullet .  Will drop a coyote and does not do much fur damage on a fox.
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Post by: Leglifter on January 08, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
For a all around gun i would go with the 223 cal. with a 55 grain soft tip bullet .  Will drop a coyote and does not do much fur damage on a fox.

+1
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Post by: zekedogg on January 09, 2012, 09:02:13 AM
I agree about the .223  that's what I'm using
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Post by: 22hornet on January 09, 2012, 12:36:39 PM
THe  17 hornet is based off the 22Hornt case. Just pick up and Hornet case and compare to the Fireball and the difference is apparent. Hornet is rimmed and the Fireball is not. The 17 Hornet looks so sweet. A rebarrelled CZ or something similar could be the cat's WHISKERS.
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Post by: foxfx on January 09, 2012, 02:33:24 PM
Use a 223 or 22 250.     Put 11-12 grains of Bluedot behind your favorite varmint bullet and you have a nice fur friendly round.  The velocity will be on par with a 22 hornet.  I've zapped many fox with this load.
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Post by: 22hornet on January 11, 2012, 05:23:32 PM
Yep that will work. I've seen that used before. I forgot about that load.
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Post by: Seeking_Coyotes on January 14, 2012, 04:08:07 PM
Given the 17 Fireball is a fantastic preadtor round I don't understand a need for a 17 Hornet?
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Post by: Lookn4Fur on January 15, 2012, 07:28:02 AM
Just read in the new Predator Extreme that the new 17 Hornet has a muzzle velocity of 3,650 with a 20 grain vmax bullet.

The trajectory is comparable to the .223 with 55 grain but with the recoil of a 22 mag.

Less fouling then the 17 remington and cheaper than the 17 fireball and 223 rem but same quality.

Below is the velocity/trajectory;
17 hornet 20 gr. VMAX   Muzzle/3650/-1.5  100 yards/3077/+1.1  200 yards/2572/0.0  300 yards/2120/-6.4  400 yards1717/-20.7

I know I am going to look into.
Title: Re: A caliber for coyotes, coons and fox?
Post by: zekedogg on January 15, 2012, 08:39:19 PM
I didn't get my mag yet but looking forward to that article.
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Post by: foxpro51 on January 15, 2012, 09:25:04 PM
Throw a pencil at some thing. Now throw a brick at the same thing. What does more damage? I believe in heavier bullets .
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Post by: foxtrot on January 15, 2012, 10:25:18 PM
My fur buyer appreciates the lighter bullets.
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Post by: Lookn4Fur on January 16, 2012, 09:33:39 AM
Its not an article but an advertisement for Hornady.
Throw a pencil at some thing. Now throw a brick at the same thing. What does more damage? I believe in heavier bullets .

What does this have to do with the post?
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Post by: Leglifter on January 16, 2012, 06:06:16 PM
I think he means weight + velocity = kinetic energy.
The heavier bullet at the same velocity will do more damage than the lighter bullet due to the higher kinetic energy
Title: Re: A caliber for coyotes, coons and fox?
Post by: Jake on January 21, 2012, 07:38:41 PM
 :D
For a all around gun i would go with the 223 cal. with a 55 grain soft tip bullet .  Will drop a coyote and does not do much fur damage on a fox.   This is the Cal. and Round I use withRem. 700 hevey Bore bi pod 4X16X48 digital light up cross hairs love it

+1
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Post by: Bulldog on February 01, 2012, 09:26:54 PM
22-250 or 223 i use a 223. Just no v - max soft points
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Post by: shadowchaser on February 01, 2012, 10:20:57 PM
I personally would say the .223.  I just loaded some varmit grenades and hopefully this weekend i shoot something other than paper.