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Predator Hunting => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: DaveyC on March 01, 2010, 05:09:22 PM
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I am trying to get names so that we, as Pennsylvanians, can legally hunt with semis. Hopefully, you see a need to use one of these fine sporting rifles, as I do.
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sign me up, let me know what we gotta do , i actually started looking and asking about hunting in other states that do allow semis
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Same here. If you can figure out how to present this, count me in! Let me know what I need to do.
I would LOVE to have an AR-15 but I just cant justify buying one. IF I could predator hunt with it, I'd have one...or 4.
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not sure if i would ever use one or not but i would never go against someone who does. so count me in.
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I forgot to write the link to the petition.
www.ipetitions.com/petition/semi-riflesinpa
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I'm with ya...
If not for big game, at least make the law for rifles the same as semi auto shotguns for small game and predators.
I would not object to a mag restriction as well, as long as I could use my AR for cats & coyotes, etc...
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Is this the same petition as the one on HPA?
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Yes it is.
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No to dangerous here on the east coast. Deer hunting NO NO NO
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you'll shoot your eye kid.
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They aren't more dangerous than any other firearm, whether single shot, bolt, pump, semi, or lever. Irresponsible people will cause hard with any of them. The firearm is just another gun!
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Look how the old Winchester and the old Marlin lever actions were... A slip of the hammer and the gun would go off.. Hunters just need to be educated and hunt safe... The old Model 94 and Marlin 336 and Marlin 1894's are still being used on deer hunts.
I think the semiautomatic could be used in Pa just like the ever so careful when your hunting still in use old model 94's and 336's are being used..
If we started to strike every gun for being unsafe then many of the old time guns would also be a candidate of not being safe to use in Pa.
One has to be just that safe... No mater if it's a single shot, old model 94 or a semiautomatic rifle...
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100% Agree, UncleBuck! There are irresponsible people out there, but they need to be punished when caught. Those people are just as dangerous with any firearms they touch, no matter the action.
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Daveyc the petition link might not be working...I tried twice today to add my name and it would not work.. Your just might be losing potential signatures for the use of the semiautomatic for hunting in Pa because of this..
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Thanks for the info
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http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/semi-riflesinpa
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This petition is not accurate. Allowing Semis for big game will increase accidents. Due to the shear number of hunters in the woods. Semis are accurate? This is false. Only custom made semis are accurate. I know because I was a weapons spec in the military and did extensive reasearch on semi auto loader rifles. Semi auto loaders could be fine for predator hunting. I am 100% against allowing the use of semi rifles accross the board.
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I have a question. what is the difference if someone is shooting at a deer compared to shooting at a fox or coyote?
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Lot more people in the woods during deer season vs predator hunting. Shooting at deer presents a larger kill area vs a fox or coyote. Semi are not normally accurate compared to bolt actions rifles. Semi's are used in the military for firepower and shooting at larger targets.
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Semis are infact accurate. They don't have to be some crazy $4000 plus custom job to be accurate. You could buy a bushmaster varminter for under 1000 and put a Leupold VXIII on for a total under 1600. The thought of there being more accidents is just your opinion. The other states that allow semis across the board haven't experienced a rise in accidents. Is PA the exception? I doubt it. I only really want to see them legalized for predators myself. But it would be easier to pass a new law legalizing them across the board. It's A LOT easier to make them legal than to make them legal on certain days for certain species, using a max. cal, using a min. cal, etc, etc...
PA is one of the last few (4 I believe) states that don't allow their use. Hawaii, Ohio, PA, NJ. I believe Northern Cali is legal to hunt with one. I really don't see how they can be more dangerous. They are just another firearm. That's it. They aren't nuclear devices!
In other states that allow semis, ARs are a favorite for predator hunters.
Just show me proof that they are going to cause accidents. Again, how can all the other states be wrong? They didn't experience the huge increase in accidents that anti-semi people say will happen.
A win for gun owners/hunters no matter the size, is a nail in the anti-hunters/gunners coffins.
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a gun is a gun. everyone can be dangerous. each one kills and that is a fact. making an acurate ar-15 is not anymore expensive then an accurate bolt gun. you might not peg a fly at 500 yds but I am sure it will kill a g-hog at 300 which is more practical for most shots. JMO
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There was an article I was reading last night in Guns & Ammo Book of the AR-15 2006 about the Les Baer .223 Super Varminter and how the author shot a prarie dog at about 650 yards. It took him a few shots to hit it. But still, that's a hell of a shot! Les Baer guarantees at LEAST 1/2 MOA out of box or your money back. You can get one for under $2,000 brand new.
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And if this gets changed, I will be buying a Les Baer in .204 Ruger. But it would have to be in effect and not just a trial period where they can stop it.
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well if it would pass I doubt I would run out and buy a ar either. though I wouldn't mind haveing a 10/22 in 22mag config just because I think the 10/22 platform is cool.
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Take any factory AR out of the box and i'll take any factory bolt action rifle out of the box and we will shoot groups at 100 yards. The bolt action (non-custom) will beat the semi every time for accuracy at 100 yards. Custom semi's are a different thing. I can understand semi 22 rimfire rifles for small game but not centerfire semi rifles for big game. Just to many hunters in the woods during deer season and your asking for problems. I could also see a need for semi's for predator hunting. No were near the people around when hunting.
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I voted no just because I feel if the possibilitiy of more than one shot is needed then you should not have taken it, wrong caliber for animal or not an ideal shot. Not all but some will count on the follow up shots as a do or die situation. They are fine in the midwest or desert areas with low people population but if you unknowingly shoot a distant house or barn with the first shot then lay 4 more out there as quick as you can before you know what you did. People will have a greater chance of being struck.
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predator 77 I agree, My wife has a Bernelli 300 WSM semi. rifle. We use it out west where there are few houses or people.
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I couldn't just get one the first year though. It would have to be legal for 2 or 3 years before I bought one.
I have a 22 Mag that just about shoots MOA. Marlin 982VS bull barrel with bushnell 3-9X40. 30 gr. V-max shoot great.
I need something with a little more reach. My 700Police in .308 is a little overkill for the yotes and fox.
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Irresponsible people will cause damage no matter what gun they use.
And I really think that you should have to take a 5 shot group test before you can buy a license.
Again, I'm really pushing for this for predator hunting/small game.
I am content with my 700 Mountain LSS 7mm-08 for deer hunting. It shoots well for how light it is. Cookin up some lighter faster loads soon for it.
I want an AR in .204 for the yotes.
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predator 77 I agree, My wife has a Bernelli 300 WSM semi. rifle. We use it out west where there are few houses or people.
Aren't you kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth? Does your wife have the spray and pray mind set? I would just once like to see FACTS that there are more accidents because of legal semis.
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Nice to hear from you Mike!
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Hi Dave, Just can't seem to keep my mouth shut on this subject!
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Lets keep it civil guys.
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I know what you mean. It's a touchy one.
Half of the people are for it, and half are against. The half that are against seem to be the "professionals" and the ones for semis should just spend more time at the range. I can shoot. My guns can shoot. But we should have the right to choose what we use. It's hard to avoid this one.
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Totally civil, I asure you! ;D
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Like I wrote earlier, I was reading an old AR-15 magazine last night, and the author was shooting the Les Baer Super Varminter in .223 and shot a prarie dog at 650 yards! He said it took a few shots. But that's a far shot for a varmint gun on a critter not bigger than a milk carton.
I could justify buying myself the Les Baer Super Match in .204 if I could hunt with it. Until that happens, I guess I'll blow the yotes up with 165 gr. Hornady SSTs from the .308 or 100gr. hollowpoints from my 7mm-08. Maybe I'll try to find a used 700 SPS varmint in .204 for now.
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Another point is the economics of hunters buying more guns......Stores make sales, gun mfg make sales, semiautomatic equipment is sold... America and Pennsylvania works and they bring home a paycheck... Pay taxes and do not have to be on welfare.
However the divorce rate could go up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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VERY GOOD POINT, UNCLEBUCK!
I can personally say that I'd buy one if I was guaranteed I could use one from now on.
In all probability though, I'll be buying a new coyote gun by next fall anyways. If I can't get an AR, it'll be a 700 SPS varmint or something along those lines.
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VERY GOOD POINT, UNCLEBUCK!
I can personally say that I'd buy one if I was guaranteed I could use one from now on.
In all probability though, I'll be buying a new coyote gun by next fall anyways. If I can't get an AR, it'll be a 700 SPS varmint or something along those lines.
the SPS Varmint is heavy, the sps is more of a carry gun and the model 7 is even shorter and lighter, i wanted the varmint until i looked at one then i ordered the sps. i saw you mention the .204, why the .204 over the .17 just curious.
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Everything I"ve heard about the .204, I love.
I do like what I hear about the .17 also.
I guess it really wouldn't matter too much. I just like the slightly heavier bullet in a .204.
And if I could get an AR, they don't chamber them in .17. They do chamber in .204.
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I have a 700 Police in .308. That is a heavy gun! I've carried it deer hunting a few times. I'll never take it up to my camp for first day again though. I took it two years ago and had to hike with it 2 1/2 miles to my spot. It was terrible. But for hikin a bit, settin up, callin, hikin back to the truck, driving to another spot and repeat, a heavy gun isn't a problem.
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For predator hunting no it'd ruin the fun...
any other hunting DEFENITLY NO!!!
that'd give the road hunters a new toy.
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I don't think it would ruin the fun at all.
I actually think it would introduce more fun, and more people to the sport. There are a lot of people that like to shoot semis, but don't hunt because they can't use it. If it were to change, it would be easier to make it for all hunting, not certain species in certain seasons.
An all across the board legalization would be easiest for law makers.
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Just recieved this email from Robb B. Miller from PA House of Rep. "should you gather enough signatures, I think that would certainly bolster your case. Many other states allow te use of semi-automatic rifles for hunting and I know one of the groups that supports the cause is Ted Nugent’s United Sportsmen of America … you might be able to join forces with them to move the issue along.
As I reported last fall, Representative Staback introduced H.B. 779 last year and it would certainly be worthwhile for you to write to him about your support, if nothing else just to thank him. Hopefully, that bill will be considered in Game and Fisheries soon. I will take a moment to forward your letter of support to Representative Staback’s office. All my best, -R-
Robert B. Miller, Jr."
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Are there any updates on this subject?
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They aren't more dangerous than any other firearm, whether single shot, bolt, pump, semi, or lever. Irresponsible people will cause hard with any of them. The firearm is just another gun!
Respectfully disagree. Their are already folks out there taken shots out of their league. Having semi capability in their hands scares me. I am a full supporter of owning just about any gun, carrying guns ect. But putting semis in the hands of inexperienced people to go out in public lands and shoot stuff imho is dangerous. And to fire off a second round with a bolt action and stay on target takes roughly 1.5-4 seconds. Enough time for game to go out of sight or myself to take cover! ;) And I am sure you will come back with a descriptive argument which is ok :D
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See there is a time and place for everything... On a pitch dark black night all you need is a single shot rifle.. However over snow with twilight conditions I think in the hands of a responsible and safe hunter the semiautomatic would be OK to use... I see what your saying.. You would have people throwing lead and someone could get hurt... yes they could if it was dark out and you have to call your shots...
On the other extreme...Over snow during twilight conditions...All you need is one shot... You can see the fox out in the field without a light even...
However if my memory serves me correctly???The only person I heard gettng shot predator hunting was when someone shot a partner. Something to the effect the red reflectors on the vehicle lit up and the unsafe hunter pulled the gun up and shot his partner.
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Trained soldiers kill hundreds of men with one shot one kill bolt action rifles. If folks cant hunt successfully with a single shot weapon, IMO they should move on to something else. We dont need semi auto rifles in Pa public lands.
I understand your point on predator hunting, and points that others have made that it could be safer because of less hunters. Problem is, it requires regulation. And Pa cant afford to regulate what they have currently, let alone more.
Samurai used to hunt with bow and arrow while riding. Our forefathers used musket. If you want to kill with semis, join the military!
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white feather, IMHO, we need to stick together as sportsmen and stop nit picking each other every chance we get. Many many states allow semis and they haven't experienced the higher rate of accidents that many are concerned with. The AR platform has found a HUGE following with predator hunters around the nation. They are light and maneuverable and are chambered in popular varmint calibers. They are the modern sporting rifle. The classic bolt actions that the anti semi people are so fond of are designed after military arms of the day. When compound bows were new on the market, the recurve fans wanted to outlaw these death machines. Now the focus is on cross bows. The same goes for rifles. If people had an open mind, we'd be using semis now. The liberal media hears semi and they think AR or AK, but wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 700 or Benelli R1 or other semis with hunters in mind. It's a shame that we can't all stick together and gain another freedom that the liberals will have a hard time taking from us.
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Dave I agree with you're passion, not necessarily your view. However, pursue it if you think it s right and dont be discouraged by others.