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Predator Hunting => Predator Hunting => Topic started by: Hern on February 13, 2010, 07:22:24 AM
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Here's pictures from a local Coyote Hunter (Snyder County).
They been having luck for the past 6-8 weeks. Say they really been on a roll.
Two weeks ago they had a 27 mile chase!
These pictures are from Tuesday (2-9-10). Lots more snow since Wednesday dumping.
They killed 2 Coyotes Tuesday.
Coyote at bay under crick bank....
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Hern are the dogs trained to go around posted property. You know if they ran a coyote 27 miles they passed through posted ground. Impossible not to.
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Did the hunters follow the dogs for 27 miles on foot or follow with a vehicle? You allready know the answer. The latter is illegal. Must stop it hurts our sport.
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Hern neat thanks for sharing.
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'51, they have tracking device on some hounds and can determine how far hounds travel.
This hunt was a remote mountain area. I wasn't there, so I can't say if they strayed on private property. I don't think anyone in this rural area has a beef with hounds run'n Coyote.
This group of hunters are well known to our area. I never heard of them getting into trouble. Several of these hunters are in law enforcement, but most are farmers and all are good folks, down to earth, good ole boys for sure. I think our WCO has hunted with them a time or two. I have hunted with them (their fathers and grandfathers) years ago and they are as rough and tough as they come, they hunt hard and work for every Coyote.
Earlier this season, a Coyote pulled trap stake out and took trap from a local trapper (aka Shade Mt.). He called the hound hunter and ask if he could get this Coyote for him. He did. He killed the Coyote and got the trap back for the trapper. Hound hunter even wanted to give the Coyote to trapper. Trapper declined Coyote but got his trap back.
I don't have a beef with hound hunters. Not at all. They do what they do and are good at it, for sure.
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Tracking devices are illegal. To follow a tracking device by vehicle is illegal in Pennsylvania. Hope that guy pointing the gun at the other hunters head knows the gun might be loaded.
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'51 asks-
Did the hunters follow the dogs for 27 miles on foot or follow with a vehicle?
Naw, sorta like a Deer drive. Post shooters (watchers) at key spots.
Modern day hound hunters use tracking devices on hounds.
Deer hunters use a method of driving up/down roads, in field/woods then dumping (deploying) watchers outa vehicles to wait on Deer drivers to push Deer. Hound hunters adapted same methods to deploy watchers.
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Again, tracking devices are illegal to use. This is how you do it. You track dogs by vehicle and than post hunters by vehicle. ILLEGAL period in Pa.. Kill dogs are also used. Anyone can shoot coyotes with tracking devices and dogs. Predator hunting is calling in animal, out smarting animal and maybe getting a shot. Yes, i am against the sport if you call it that.
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Congrats to those hunters for a hard earned coyote,and hern ive read your other posts you are a sportsman that sticks together with other sportsman whether trapping ,hunting with dogs or calling ,need more guys like you.
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Apparently this was all the talk up that way.....My brother was saying last night, he heard this at a local gun shop.... whatever happened to "FAIR CHASE"? 40 yrs ago the coyote would have gotten away...the dogs would have been lost for a day or two and the hunters would have been in a frazzle.... I have no beef with houndsmen, as almost everyone today is guilty of some indiscretion....trail cams, walkie talkies,tree stands,scent lok,scents,cover scents,gps,tracking devices,etc.,etc..some may be legal... but... whatever happened to getting your gun or bow out of the closet and going hunting one on one? For example.. Is a 20 pt buck shot off a trail cam out of a tree stand on the first day more of a trophy than a 6 pt. shot on the ground the last day sans any artificial help...Depends on how much you respect the creature your pursuing, who only has his instincts to help him....JMO...I'm guilty to,by the way...getting lazier by the year..One other point of interest...these upstanding, law abiding houndsmen, aren't displaying hunting license, be interesting to see if local WCO picks up on this....OOPS! no WCO in Snyder Co. right now, I believe due to retirement...besides its cold out and whomever is covering is either home doing paperwork in warm house or trapping turkeys from someone who has some, to give someone who has none...not worrying about that dog under the bank who couldn't out run Techno-Geeko...
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Hern great pictures, Thanks
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Maybe I am wrong, but why are younot aloud to use tracking collars to hunt. Page31 of the pa. hunting&trapping digest says you can.
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you can use them to locate your lost dogs but you cannot use them to help kill a coyote. very fine line.
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Back when I hunted with this outfit, they didn't use modern electronics.
Am not sure how they track nowadays. Maybe a laptop? or hand held GPS? I have no clue.
You can split hairs and pick these boys apart, but they hunt hard as anyone for sure and care for hounds 365 days a year.
Jaspr, these pictures were on Shade Mountain, near your brother's home.
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Was is there always a sore As* that has to run their mouth in every crowd.I say fantastic job and great pics.
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Why don't you just use a Smart Bomb on them. LOL
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how can anybody say congrats good pics or they hunt as hard as anybody ,when neither one has license of any sort displayed..ILLEGAL and one guy has his gun pointed at the other guy... STPID AND CARELESS
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Licsense arnt required to be displayed on your back any longer and if some of you guys are so againts this type of hunting. Why not try and get the laws changed . :)
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WRONG, license are required to be displayed on your back while hunting. They may change it in the future.
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Wrong it states that license must be diplayed on person and must be visable but they do not have to be displayed on back any longer.Contact your regional office they can tell ya the same thing I just did.
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you wanna argue about the license , what about pointin a gun at somebody?? and for the record im not against huntin with dogs , im against people who do stupid stuff take pics and think they are great
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How do we know its not the angle of the camera makin it look that way we don't but some people are just so quick to put other hunters down,Why can't we just say congrats on a harvested predator thats all I am trying to say!!!
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this is why many people do not post pics myself included. ive never heard of anyone getting a ticket for having tracking collar on a dog, and if it were illeagle wouldnt you think the wardens would be right on this?
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it is illegal and not much of a fair chase to use a tracking collar to track the dogs when they are running a coyote.
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this is why many people do not post pics myself included. ive never heard of anyone getting a ticket for having tracking collar on a dog, and if it were illeagle wouldnt you think the wardens would be right on this?
Apparently you don't know how the PGC works...I will give you an example... During deer season, back in the day, I was patrolling and observed a deer hanging in a steel tractor shed, I went in to check it....aaahhhh....there were 7 deer in the shed ...none were tagged...radioed WCO...he it turned out was friends with this guy and guess what .......do to some technical snafu,misunderstanding, this guy and his cronies took a walk...amazing....if you think because they have a badge ,gun and uniform it puts them above unethical you need to wake up...some are quite dedicated but some are not..This is a coyote we're talking about, the most maligned creature in the woods,they aren't going to waste resources on this. I heard this story, slightly different, from my brother who also knows some of these yahoo's, before Hern's post. I hope Hern didn't think I was taking a potshot at him,I was not..... I was trying to promote an understanding of the concept of fair chase....you know, where the quarry has some opportunity to actually escape. This "LIL WIENER" mentality that success is measured in some way by the quantity of the harvest is ridiculous. These guys didn't chase anything for 10 or 27 miles without the aid of the collars,walkie talkies,gps and chevrolets! all illegal... didn't happen...I didn't fall off a turnip truck yesterday...A few will abuse this till it ruins it for all of us...JMO...and that's the great thing about America , your entitled to an opinion no matter how stupid or wrong it might be...
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this is why many people do not post pics myself included
I don't post 'predator calling' pictures.
Years ago on huntingpa, I posted a picture of a banner calling night/morning...2 Coyote, 2 Coon, 1 Red & 3 Greys called and killed by myself.
I was questioned in cyber space as to wasn't I a trapper? I replied I was, but this picture the critters were taken by call'n before and after sunup this day.
Two folks outright said they didn't believe they were all call'd in and killed on one outing, they thought they were trapped, since I was a trapper. I tried to explain that I drive a delivery truck for a living, but I didn't roadkill these critters either.
I got so upset and fustrated, I deleted that post and since, only posted one or two call'n pictures and a few trap'n pictures since. I don't need to show proof or puff out my chest, at everything I kill, but at times would like to post a pic.
On the other hand, I do enjoy looking at some folks pictures and read'n their stroy.
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Hounding......
Some guys are against it
Some guys are for it
Some guys don't care either way
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Would we agree on this^?
Lets not get our collective junk in a bunch over some photos
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i have hounds, but just for the record jaspr, ive never owned a tracking collar, mainly because i cant afford them, i only chase bobcats and they run different than yotes. im surprized at the attitude towards dog hunters on here. hern if they change the cat season, come on up for a cat hunt with hounds, i do use walkie talkies, you can come to jaspr so you can see how easy it is
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looks like a fantastic time. thanks for sharing Hern! ;)
as for how the hunt transpired or how a gun looks pointed...unless you were there in person, nobody has any room to criticize or point fingers. right? ;)
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Nice pics hern. Any kind of hunting is good with me.
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That is the point I was trying to make unless you were there to see how the gun was pointed.I think they are fantastic pics and thanks hern for posting...
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Now ask yourselves? "Is The Glass Half Empty Or Half Full?"
Now you could be looking at it like this? We only want the best seed for this coming mating season? This is a way to take off the bad seed?
There are some smart Alpha Males and Females out there..... Now chances are that just my observations dealing with the Alpha's who are smart... Could be that they could outsmart a pack of hounds....
Also it's a know fact that the more coyotes you harvest the more young the mating pair have...
See we need to take some of the fur also look how this is helping the deer herd....I can tell you this that our coyotes do feed on deer unlike what other people are saying...Just the article two weeks ago revealed. They, most Pa coyotes have jaws like wolves...They are trying to eat the deer now believe me..........
Trying to be the Devils Advocate here again...I have had a few predator callers also point their guns at me in error too in my 24 + years in predator hunting...Also some grouse hunters, ringneck hunters, and rabbit hunters, and deer hunters... No wonder I rather hunt by myself...LOL LOL
Nope we do need to harvest predators to help the farmers too... So remember that even some of the coyotes we call in are not even the mating pair. The more harvested the mating pair will have more pups...Also some of the coyotes that make it will be more like a Lab in smarts then a 57 variety Heinz dog (Dumb Dog) that is just plain dumb...
All mammals are not created equal, only the strong survive, etc etc Could be away of getting rid of that bad seed we don't want around... Helps the farmers too..Also when you call in a 50 pounder you can be proud!!!!
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Catmando, believe this or not, I to at one time had some hounds...Always had Beagles, some good some logger heads,I love to listen to a hound chase...Went with a friend who lived and died Coon hunting, (had Walkers) was always looking for the ultimate dog. Spent more money on his dogs than his wife and they were soon divorced.. ;D...lol. that's another story.....You guys are mis-reading my comments, I promote all sport hunting and yes, I am sticking my neck out by making an accusation based on no personal knowledge of the facts...I have this inate skeptisim based on the short time I was involved in catching hoofties, as a Deputy for PGC...That was 30 yrs ago.....Up until 10yrs ago when I moved for the 2nd time I would get up and find deer heads and hides in my front yard and local people still call me with stuff. Someone up that way also shot a Bobcat that came in while they were fox hunting, its being home tanned... no one would drop a name ,location or anything else in my presence, because they know how I am...Once you get that Warden stink on you, you become the skunk at any "Good Ole Boy" get togethers...I was just trying to point out the virtue of fair chase hunting and promote how much more rewarding it is to best them on their terms sans a techno- geeko aid. I liked the pictures and I like it when people post their results...Cliff Martin D2 comes to mind 10 Red Fox and 2 Raccoons, D2 hunt as posted in Howler..Fantastic job, a memory made to revisit when he's an old guy like me..No negative thought even crossed my mind..If that would have been me on that big chase, I would have collected up my dogs, gave them a treat and let the yote take a hike for next time..but that's me. As I've pointed out in previous posts just because I don't do it that way doesn't make everybody else wrong it just makes us different....If they did it legally, then good job........but based on the info I got, from what I would call a reliable source, they overstepped on more than one issue. If that is true then they are stealing from all of us and will put all of us in a bad light with the non-hunting public..I won't have anymore comments on this..I am starting to have a lot of empathy for the quarry these days and let more walk. It must be my age. Maybe I will start hunting with my cam and let the shooting to the young guys...
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I didn't post pictures to fire folks up. Sorry.
I have no clue if they use tracking device to kill Coyotes or use tracking device to record distance of chase or locate hounds to be rounded up. I'll try to contact this guy and ask him 'how he does it'.
Once again, I hunted with this groups dads and grandpas and they didn't use a tracking device back then.
Funny how we have a knee jerk reaction to some pictures and lump everyone into the same pot.
Cat, thank you for the offer. I'll have to get in shape to run them hills around you...LOL. Jaspr is much, much older than me, but in better shape... ;D I'll bring the ole fart along...LOL.
I grew up hunting Rabbits with Dad's Beagles and attending Field Trials.
I hound hunted Fox in the '60's & 70's with Dad's friends, John Atkinson, Boyd Klock and Babe Schroyer. Dad never hunted Fox, but would drop me off at John A.s farm before daylight, every weekend after Christmas (I was too young to drive until the '67). Looking back, these 3 guys enjoyed Fox hunting, hounds and the outdoors. The 3 of 'em own 1040 acres near Stonington, between Sunbury & Paxinos and that's were we hunted for the most part.
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GREAT PICS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK SOME GUYS FIND SOMETHING WRONG WITH EVERYTHING . TRAPPERS TRAP HOUNDERS HUNT AND CALLERS SPEAK THE LANGUAGE PICK YOUR POISON AND RUN WITH IT WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN SENSE OF ACHIEVEMENT AND HAVING DONE ALL THREE TYPES OF HUNTING I CAN TELL YOU I ENJOY THEM ALL.