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Predator Hunting => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Critterslayer51 on December 15, 2011, 10:08:13 PM
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Savage is releasing their new cartridge in .17 hornet model 25 in 2012! Hornady is loading up the factory rounds, and is supposed to have the same drop as a .223, but in a smaller necked down version of the .22 hornet, now will it be a good choice for fur? I really wish they would just make the .17 fireball already!
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ANOTHER .17 to choose from.I do like the idea though.The down side to the 22 hornet was its trajectory and this takes care of that problem.Its probably simple economics for savage because the model 25,22 hornets were probably being out sold by the fireballs so a simple barrel change gives you a 17 hornet.I will give it a serious look.I'm sure the fireball owners will cut on it pretty hard.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of new cartridges and ballistics. With all that's available for the handloader in a .223 for example or .222 or .17 Remington or .22-250, I have to question what niche is actually being filled with a .17Hornet. Ammo is probably going to be $$$$$
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Probably would be an excellent fox gun...I truly like the 17's.. I have a 17 Fireball and I have 17 Rem..
when people get to own a 17 center fire it makes them want to hunt chucks more... However I have to admit I kidg of like hunting chucks with the 22250 too..
Certain parts of the state the Hornets are awesome little guns.. Places like in NEPA where you really don't have wide open farm fields and a lot of wood lots.. That is where the 22 Hornet and this 17 Hornet will excel!!!
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yeah i don't know now...i wanted to get a fireball or a 22 hornet for my next rifle, and i think remington makes a fireball without the heavy barrel which I most definately do not want, and the savage makes the model 25 now in a synthetic 22 hornet. I have a model 25 in .223 thumbhole, and i love it, making me want to get that 22 hornet in the same gun. people tell me to sell my .223, but its hard for me to let go a gun that I know is dead nuts, and it would be nice to have around for yote huntin or chucks. and now there is a .17 hornet in a savage, that i want, but i wanted to see savage make a .17 fireball! ehhhhh! either way, it will be a while til I have enough funs for a new rifle anyhow, so i've got plenty of time to think about it haha...keep the opinions rolling, I think this is an interesting topic. BTW, the 17 hornet was introduced in the 1950's, no one has made guns again for it til now, so its not exactly new.
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It would be hard to sell a gun that shoots well but if all its going to do is collect dust and I needed the funds move on to better things.
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Critterslayer51
Well I think the 17 hornet would be fun to shoot and might make a cool fox gun. But if I was going for fox in a coyote area with a 20 grain bullet it might stay home too often. If you reload you could shoot 25 grain hollow points and might make it even more fur friendly. You know there is no gun that covers all the bases. The 223 covers a lot more then the 17 hornet does. But like I said 17 hornet might be a fun gun to shoot for fox. I will stick with my 17 rem 25 grain hollow point. Kind of covers it all but is not real fur friendly a lot of the time. I do think another gun is what we all need. This little hornet looks like fun, save your money.
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Tell me the truth, please. How many of you guys are hunting for fur to sell. And if you are, why ain't you trapping? Dick Taylor aka/papa1
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Papa1
I am not hunting for fur. I just like hunting and do not waist them. I keep and give to my fur to a local buyer. I get anywhere from $2 to $10. You can guess why some are $2. :-)
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Papa1,I defiantly want fur to sell that's one of the reasons I stick with the pea shooters,but your point about trapping instead of hunting is a good one and I wonder that myself sometimes.I quess its an addiction.
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the only way I'd mess with this round is if it were based on the 22 K-Hornet... that would make it an extremely accurate and quite fast round for the size of the case... it would also make it easier to handle around the loading bench... if they're not going to blow the case out to "K" configuration I'd go with the 17 Fireball...
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(http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/17sav02.jpg)
looks like it might be a good fox cartridge.
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Bigben
Nice looking little case, I would load it with a 25 gr.hollow point. It would fill the void between the hornet and the fireball a little better. I am not big on those little 20 gr. ballistic tips. I would like to see a 25 grain pointed soft point made by some one some day also for the 17 cal.
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I am not a re-loader and know nothing about it but was thinking the same thing Buckwheat. I am interested in this cartridge and want to see it in action.
For the record I am not looking to sell fur for a profit but choose to not waste what I shoot. I do trap but very little. Again not to put up numbers but because I enjoy it.
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It could be the ackley hornet. Ill have to look into it. I always wanted to build one now I can buy one. If you reload you can form them from the 22hornet brass. And you will not find somthing cheaper to load if im not mistaken its over 500rds to a pound of powder. But how does it compair to the 5.7 savage is offering in the 25?
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I agree Buckwheat a 25 grain hollow point seems like a better choice.
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the shoulder angle isn't as sharp as the "K" Hornet but still quite the attractive looking round... I think that's gonna be the one to build the contender action into instead of the 17 Fireball... will make a nice light stalkin rifle...
being as I already load the Hornet I have a supply of cases, primers and powder on hand all I'll need is bullets and dies... I'm wondering what sort of velocities I'll get outta a case full of lil-gun?... I get 3250fps outta the K with a 40gr VMax and 13½gr lil-gun... should be interesting...
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I too was wondering if it was the Ackley 17 Hornet??? Http://www.eabco.com/ will make the Ackley 17 Hornet for Encore or Contender user if you desire.. cost would be about $350.00 for a custom barrel..Sometimes you might have to wait 6 months to get the special custom barrel. However their barrels do shoot well!!!!
Once you own an Encore action you can get all kinds of barrels..Some for $249.00 new but it won't be a 17 Hornet!!
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Tell me the truth, please. How many of you guys are hunting for fur to sell. And if you are, why ain't you trapping? Dick Taylor aka/papa1
See some of us do trap when we get the urge...With all the respect to trappers since I am one too.. It's a lot of hard work preping the traps or cables. Checking the traps daily.. The gas you use to.. Some of my trap lines extended a small distance.. 35 miles round trip... Now do that for 30 days...1050 miles..That's like driving from here to Branson, Mo...
I find that I tend to really hit the predators to hard when I trap...I don't get the same feeling when I dispatch a fox in a cable compared to when I lift one off the forest floor or field after calling it in and shooting it.. If I do set cables I am forced to sell every bit of fur I get to pay for all that gas... Where as when I call I don't really call 30 days in a roll... Trapping is hard work... This is just me talking here...However I do find it a bit easy to catch fox or coyotes then it is to call them in and outsmart them...You have to use every trick you have in the book... Also not that I don't sell my fur when I call them in either.. Sure I do.. It all depends on how I feel.. Sometimes I will tan them and just see how they turn out... I'm always trying all kinds of things out. This is just me and how I feel whats up there between my shoulders...
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Its not the K-hornet a little diffrent angle. I wonder if you can convert a 17 hmr to 17 hornet? I have scene many 22 mag winchesters converted to 22 hornet and K. It would be single shot but thats ok.