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Predator Hunting => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: archerobx on November 08, 2006, 08:37:25 AM
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A guy wants me to take him fox hunting in an area he says is loaded with fox. He only has a 12 gauge and I said bring it. He is worried that I wont be able to get them that close. I havent seen the terrain but he says it is all fields. Anyway wondering if a .17hmr would be to small for fox. I will be carrying the .222/20 so if a yote pops up I can take it. Just wondering about the .17hmr?
thanks
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A guy wants me to take him fox hunting in an area he says is loaded with fox. He only has a 12 gauge and I said bring it. He is worried that I wont be able to get them that close. I havent seen the terrain but he says it is all fields. Anyway wondering if a .17hmr would be to small for fox. I will be carrying the .222/20 so if a yote pops up I can take it. Just wondering about the .17hmr?
thanks
For fox the 17HMR is fine, kinda light for coyote.
Russ
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ive shot fox with my .17hmr worked fine at around 65 70yds i hear it tends to be a little light after 100 tho just what i hear no experiance with it out that far...thats when i bought a .223 rather be safe than sorry
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I just bought a CZ 17HMR today. I put a 4x12x50 scope on it. Its a short heavy barrel fluted model with a set trigger. Should be good for areas i can't use centerfire. Should be fine for coons, fox and groundhogs. We will see what it does on coyote.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, now,ya want to shoot coons do ya ?? Does mutt buster got one too ?? ;D
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YEP. You want coons your going to get coons.
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archerobx.....
the 17HMR will work fine...i suggest though he use the 20gr bullets not the 17gr V-Max...and zeroed dead nutz at 50yds.
good luck guys!
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Shoot the 17HMR today. 50 yard groups under a dime. 100 yard groups are around a quarter in size.
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glad it shot good.
here is the article about the 5mm.
It is a 22 mag necked down to a 20 caliber.
In between the 22 mag,and the 17hmr.
I dont see it much better than either or.
http://www.varminter.com/particles/5mmpartone.htm
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wow posted it like 3 years ago.
he bailed on the hunt so never tried it out. Have taken many hogs with it and a couple coon. Have alot of yotes out here so I wouldnt risk bringing the hmr out.
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I live in Montgomery Co. so I'm restricted to my T/C Encore in 12ga. I was hoping the .17hmr would work on coyotes with a well placed head shot.
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The 17 Hmr works great on fox,stops them in there tracks and no pelt damage.I definitly wouldn't want to risk it on coyotes.Its hard to find an ideal caliber for every situation.I have no experence with the 22 hornet but have heard good things about it.
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Swarter 2, I killed one coyote with a 17hmr in November. 60 yard shot right threw the windpipe. He ran for about 50 yards and checked out. It is light but if thats all you can hunt with because of the law, it will work. Just place your shot. I've also killed 3 fox's with a 17hmr in the last 3 weeks. All were about 100 yards. They ran about 25 yards and expired. Once again, do your best at placing your shot.
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muttbuster, What load do you like to use in the 17 hmr?
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17 grain hollow points. That is an amazing little round. I've killed several groundhogs and many coons with it. I have not shot to much past 100 yards but within that range it will get it done. It does not have the impact a larger round has but the lead frags nice. make sure the wind is not over 15 mph or it will blow off course.
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i've been shooting the 20gr 'gamepoints' the last 2 yrs with mine. couldn't find the hornadys i normally shoot after i moved and went with the 17gr hollow-point from CCI. great results so far as well.
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I used one for 2 years and they are great with head shots, no pelt damage at all. can't say i ever lost a fox with a body shot but had them run off and then spent the next hour looking for them. They are a good fox gun, but for sure use the 20 gr bullets.
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i've been shooting the 20gr 'gamepoints' the last 2 yrs with mine. couldn't find the hornadys i normally shoot after i moved and went with the 17gr hollow-point from CCI. great results so far as well.
Woody if you're looking for the 20grs let me know.
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I have some cci gamepoints and im pretty sure they are 20 gr. I think that the hmr into a coyotes neck,head,spine will do the job yes they may run 25 -50 yards and kill over. now with that 17 the yote has to be stoped or moving slowly i would assume to have a safe shot anyway. but yes i think this gun is great for preds. cz452 american is what i have .. does anyone use those vmax on preds?
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I shot a fox this year with the .17gr vmax. shot was about 80 yards, hit him right behind the shoulder and he dropped in his tracks. no autopsy was preformed but i am sure it went in and exploaded. i was reading about the cci bullets the other night and if i remember correctly the 20gr bullet was designed to expload on impact.. more of a varmit bullet and different from what i thought.
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scratch that last comment, the 20gr game point will hold up better and get better penatration.
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i thought i heard the gamepoint is nice for bigger animals. I have only shot a few animals with mine not much. hell i only took it out in the woods a few times.. now that im gathering all my gear my gun will hopefully see more blood.
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In my 17HMR I use CCI Hollow Point Bout Creux Speer T N T
I never used it on Coyotes, but on Hogs tore them up!!!!
I think if proper shot placement, at a stand still, with in 100Yrds, It would take them down.
Good Luck!!!!
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I agree..
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what round?
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.17 HMR is a very very poor choice of calibur for coyote hunting. If it's all you have, then I guess that's what you have to use though.
*PaCoyotenut*
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yah i think its ok as long as you can shoot and hit what ur aiming at. its big enough with a well placed shot
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Ya think? Let me know how you make out if you ever get the chance to put a .17 HMR pill into a coyotes body.
I don't know of anyone who has ever taken a PA coyote with a .17 HMR. I'm curious.
*PaCoyotenut*
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My first one was with a 17 hmr,and a guy on HPA killed one last year with one.Got to shoot them in the head,or in the vitals,which are in front of the front leg,not behind the front leg,where everyone shoots for.And wonders why they run off.
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there not deer. def. head ,neck,vitals. shots will do . I mean yes its a coyote but what do you think a 20 grain hollowpoint crusin bout 2300 give or take a few hundred will do to a skull or the neck area?
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Wow,now I know of someone who has taken a yote with a .17 HMR. ;D I figured it would have to be a head shot.
Still would be my very last choice of calibur (and .22 lr) for hunting a yote with.
DAVID: I know they are not deer. ??? I know of yote that had gone a 100-150 yards after being hit with a 30-06 deer rifle until it keeled over dead.
Put it this way,as hard as it is to call in a Pa yote, and even harder to get a good shot at it after it's called in, your setting your self up for a big disappoinment using a .17 HMR if you do not shoot it 100% EXACTLY where it needs to be shot. You will most likley never recover it.
*PaCoyotenut*
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I also killed a coyote with a 17hmr. Last November. 60 yards, in the throat. He ran a little but still died. My last 3 fox's this season were with the same gun. It's not the best choice true, but in some counties it's either that or a shotgun. Only rim fire in Allegheny county. I had a 22 mag but I sold it because they have been known to travel after hitting something. The 17hmr will frag and not bounce.
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One from october with a 22mag.Lost the pic,had to go to pa.outdoors.com to find it.Posted it there in middle of fur season.Bullet entered and blew up inside the lower neck.Called in 2 got 1.Mistake on the shooters fault...shot the furthest,and the closest was to close nearly ran over my legs
(http://i44.tinypic.com/51xait.jpg)
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Didnt mean to sound ??? mean. it will do for me .. i have shotguns beside me also.. i dont think itll be in issue if the coyote is stand still or walking. head shot puts him to rest
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David, not a problem bud ;) , I wasn't taking you to be mean, it's all good. Just trying to give you some sound advice. Good luck to ya.
Dang Mutt! Now i know of 2 people that have taken yotes with a .17HMR. ;D I'm in the same boat as you also, I live in Montgomery county which is SRA also. I too am restricted to shot gun and rimfire only. I pretty much strickly use the 12 gauge. Don't own a .22 MAG yet,but have been looking into getting one. I have a couple I can borrow if need be.
I pretty much only hunt for yotes up at my place In Tioga county or my father-inlaws place in Bedford county. Ive got a beed on a couple of places around here that are holding coyotes, but havn't gone after them yet. Will most likley use the 12 gauge with #4 buck anyway instead of the .22 MAG for them around here.
T.O. I have heard of a couple of guys that have taken them with the .22 MAG in the past. Good job!
*PaCoyotenut*
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i have my eyes on a 22 mag right now .... would like to get it and also keep the 17.
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A 222 is good to. My cousin dropped one Today at 100Yds. shot it in the neck dropped right in place.
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I picked up a cheap n.e.f 223 the trade didnt actually cost me anything.. ill give er a try when i getta scope on her. what 223 ammo does everyone else use 55 grain hp?
I havent gotton out in a while. i havent been feeling so great.
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I use a Rem. 700 223 , my round I use is Winchester 45 Gr.JHP Varmint shoots at 3600 FPS. that is cooking, for a Box Rounds.