Author Topic: Wind and air currents (Read 9101 times)

Buckwheat · « **Reply #31 on:** September 05, 2007, 11:36:59 PM »

dreamcatcher

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Here is another thing to consider.
Human scent is lighter than animal scents. That's why it's a good idea to mist or use animal scents as a cover up, as they ride lower in the air currents.

Are you saying you think cover scents work?
Is there a place that I can read and get information about this statement?

dreamcatcher · « **Reply #32 on:** September 06, 2007, 07:58:59 AM »

Cover scents have helped me over many years. Some may say they do nothing. I disagree.
At the least they can help to confuse and/or relax an animal.
In recent issues of Fur-Fish-Game, Leonard Lee Rue writes about Joe Taylor, a hunting guru in NJ and NY. I was blessed to spend a good amount of time with Joe at his camp in NJ. Joe taught me a lot about scents.
I can recall reading about animal scents being heavier in past issues of Deer and Deer Hunting magazine.
See you Saturday.

220_Woody · « **Reply #33 on:** September 06, 2007, 10:08:00 AM »

question:
how many of us spend enough time at one particular calling set-up to be concerned with thermals? i mean really. i know that Buckwheat and a whole lot of you out there including me, "run & gun" while calling....drive to one spot...get out..walk in...call for 10mins..15mins tops....than back out again. barely enough time to stop and think or consider thermals....right? air currents...yes...certainly. walk into your set with the wind in your face or ccoming from one side or the other and turn for your set up how ever you choose....cross wind or down wind calling.

i can see all this talk and theories applying to deer hunting as your on stand in one location for hours....so the whole thermal idea can come into play as far as carrying your scent. but as for calling predators....i don't see how this really applies. only if your calling in an area where you know for certain a coyote is known to frequent and it's alittle bit wary or call shy....you may need to give it lots of time to approach. i've sat on stands for coyotes for 45min to an hour for a coyote that just wouldn't commit to closing inside 100yds.

scott · « **Reply #34 on:** September 06, 2007, 01:08:07 PM »

i have put in years and years of thought on deer hunting and using scents. here is what i have found out. when using a drag with doe n heat scent: If you get 100 yards away from your stand and put your scent on drag and walk to your stand and hand it on a tree 20 yards away from your stand, you just did it backwards, which i did for years. a deer trails just like a beagle, nose to the ground and from weaker scent to stronger scent. so if you want your scent to be more productive, walk to your stand first, pull out your drag and scent it up and walk 100 or 150 yards away from your stand hitting as many cross trails as possible, then pick it up and walk it back to your stand and hang it where you started.

when hanging scents next to your stand you should hang them 20 yards to the left of your stand and 20 yards to the right when standing with your back to the wind. that way when a buck hits your doe n heat line he will come in but not directly down wind of your scent. the last 4 bucks i killed came into this set, their noses were in the air, lips were curled and it was like they were on a rope. i learned a long time ago that scents are no good if they are up wind of them.

how does this apply to predator hunting: i feel, any wild animal is more comfortable being downwind of what they are looking for, so i have my caller 30 yards to the left of me, the wind at my back, i start calling and the animals hears the sound and starts coming then he hits a scent line of a bobcat, from the bobcat sent i just put by the caller, now he hears it, smells it and if i add a feather on a string by the caller for some movement. there are three things on his mind other than me.
for coyotes i use bobcat scent, for fox i use rabbit scent.

one thing i know for sure from spending many hours in a tree, a big buck is a big buck because he trusts his nose, not many deer will pick you up if your are 30 feet in a tree, but a fox will always pick you us as soon as he gets straight down wind of you and there will be no hesitation, he will turn and go the other way, he will not even look in your direction. i once heard that a person can smell stew cooking on a stovetop as soon as they walk in a room, but a dog can smell and identify all 35 ingredents ( not sure how the measure that) in the stew.

longhair · « **Reply #35 on:** September 06, 2007, 01:18:03 PM »

Throw this in the mix. Are you guys talking about populated areas or unpopulated areas? Big woods or close to human habitat ? The reason I ask is people that live close to a wooded area have seen yotes and the such real close to the houses when they are outside. Now, you would think that the yotes would shy away from doing this. My point is, when you hunt closer to populated areas, they tend to get used to the human,pet, and just things in general. Hey, I'm new to this and just trying to learn something here.
Now as far as scents go, I like earth. I keep my cloths in plastic bags with some of the natural surroundings from where I hunt. If there's cattle close, I want to smell like a cow. If the farmer is active in the field with his tractor, then I want to smell like a tractor(deisel fuel). And in the rut, if I see a HOT doe taking a pee or poop, I'll roll in that sum beech !!!!!

paul555 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 06, 2007, 04:22:42 PM »

Quote from: "longhair"

if I see a HOT doe taking a pee or poop, I'll roll in that sum beech !!!!!

We're using your vehicle, right? :lol:

Buckwheat · « **Reply #37 on:** September 06, 2007, 07:50:04 PM »

Buckwheat · « **Reply #38 on:** September 06, 2007, 07:57:37 PM »

Scott
Good stuff there, keep the information coming.

Buckwheat · « **Reply #39 on:** September 06, 2007, 08:15:24 PM »

longhair · « **Reply #40 on:** September 06, 2007, 10:59:15 PM »

Paul--not to worry,I don't do this anymore. BUT, I NEVER put on my outer layer of cloths until I'm ready to go into the woods. Always keep them in a plastic bag.

Buckwheat--that's what the locals have been telling me. They see them and it is as if the yote could care less about them. He/she just proceeds on their merry way. Now this is on one side of the hill, the other side is compleately different.

I've done things hunting deer(buck) that most normal people would scoff at. You have to realize that when I was younger, I hunted THE BUCK not just a buck. And that in it's self is a hard thing to do. So now I'm starting over with coyote. But some of the same principles that apply to deer huntig also apply here.

George Ackley · « **Reply #41 on:** September 15, 2007, 04:04:17 PM »

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But when you get in there areas they are used to hanging out in were people do not disturb them they get nervous when human sent is in that area.

true,,,,

(my opinion is) I don't think it matter if Mr coyote live near you or near populated places he can tell when you to close.I am not much on fighting or worrying about the wind or air current. I have a hard time finding it constant anywhere I do try to start off with it in my face.
unpredictable currents is why I shoot them as soon as i see them

I am with woody on this one