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Predator Hunting => Gear Bag => Topic started by: ZDF on December 22, 2010, 06:04:23 PM
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I've been looking at either a Nikon or a Mueller but everyone I talk to doesnt have a clue what a Mueller is so Im kinda leaning toward the Nikon as I know a few people that use them. Im gonna be shooting the usual predators (coyotes, foxes) around 100 yards or so. I wanna spend roughly around $150 and was looking at the Nikon Prostaff or the Mueller 3x9. Any oppinions on these or any other scopes?
Thanks
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I did some look'n around and found this place
http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/
Free shipping over 90.00/ 5% discount if you are mil/ff/or police (active or not) plus a free t shirt ;D
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IMO both are about the best choices in that price range unless you are cool buying a used scope. I own both a Mueller and a Prostaff and the quality is about the same on both for their respective prices, both have decent glass and both companies stand behind their product. You really won't go wrong with either of them.
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cabelas is blowing out the nikon prostaff 3x9x40 for 94 bucks. i would go with the Mueller because Nikon doesn't have an IR. you can get the Mueller 3x10x44 in the price range you are looking. if you plan on hunting at night go witht he Mueller if not the Nikon would be fine. i use both and both a good quality scopes in that price range.
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As UB once said: "I Never Met A Muller That I Didn't Like!" I have 4 of them...two illuminated dot and two AO without the dot.. Of course for predator hunting you want the illuminated dot at least the 3 X 9 40 MM which cost about $148.00. They are warranted for life unless you abuse them.. I have a Truglo, Redhead, and BSA illuminated recticle scope also...Of the three the Redhead is the best.. Simmons make that one.. The entire recticle is illuminated but it can be adjusted from total brightness to just a bit of red. They might cost you about $90.00. The other two just can't be illuminated down enough and the recticle has to much brightness for night time hunting...
If you want to shoot predators at night time your going to need an illuminated scope.. The dot IMO is the best to go with since you just put the dot on the chest or above the shoulder and you got him... Now know of one excellent shot that does not like the Muller Dot.. He shoots all of his predators in the head. So when you do place the red dot on the red eyes it kind of intermingles with the red eyes and the dot.. Me..I don't really like to explode the predators head.. So for me...it's the Muller red dot in the $148.00 3 X 9 40 MM.
By the way...The people that don't know about the Muller's? They don't know about them because they don't even know about predator hunting.
Your also going to have critics that say the Mullers are not the best. however how many of us can really pay $1400.00 to $3000.00 for a Nightforce Scope?
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Thanks for all the info guys. Is there any other scopes that are good for night time hunting? Just wanna check out all my options as best I can before ordering
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Night Force Scopes...
During Pete Hauer seminar at the PPHA Expo. He did recommend the Nikon.. However since I don't use them for night hunting I forget just what model he recommended...Maybe someone will remember when he made comment on this and post what Model Nikon he recommended.. I can tell you this it was not all of the models...
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Eek $1000+ :o I think I'll just stick with the Mueller for now and see how that does. My rifle should be done sometime next week so now I just gotta get some ammo scope and scope mounts, oh and a kill light (Haven't decided which one yet) and I should be ready to kill some coyotes
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when Jay was talking about the Mueller scope he said he liked the Burris better. I think that scope was about 400. it was also an IR.
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thanks I'm just gonna stick with the mueller. Also does anyone know where to find ammo for the 17rem? Im gonna be reloading but I want to shoot by next weekend and I doubt ill have the reloading supplies and time to have the bullets loaded.
Thanks
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Basspro has it...Cabelas, but it's going to be hard to find in Dunhams, Dicks, but Gander might have it but you pay $$$$$bucks for ammo in Gander. Don't even go into Wal-Mart for it..It won't be there..
Then you can get it on the web. Nice if you don't have to pay that hazardous material fee for shipping????????If they want you to pay $20.00 in addition to the regular shipping fee. I'd probably elect to pay the Gander price...
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Best to use a scope that's illuminated with batteries instead of one that activated by running a light over it to trigger the illuminating.
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Thanks UB, always have alot of good info to share. Gonna order the scope and rings hopefully sometime early next week and try to find some ammo. Hopefully gander will have some, if not guess I'll try and order some off the web. Dont really feel like driving all the way down to cabelas from pittsburgh, the store is a nightmare plus gas is too high :(
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Leupold 4.5 x 14 x 30 mm tube is the way to go. Great for night shooting over a light and outstanding for big game.
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Leupold 4.5 x 14 x 30 mm tube is the way to go. Great for night shooting over a light and outstanding for big game.
I dont think a 17 rem would be ideal for big game haha. But I agree Leupold makes awesome scopes, I have a 3x9 compact on my 7mm08 and its a great scope. If I do get more into predator and varmint hunting I will be after another Leupold
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For mounting a kill light on a Mueller 4x16x50,I used the supplied mount that came with the kill light and then took two weaver all steel top mount bases.(#48234). Mated them back to back with bolts nuts and lock washers. A few drops of lock tight and some epoxy. For the scope I used simmons 1"matte high rings(#49172). I got between 1/4 and 3/8 clearance between the bell of the light and the bell of the scope. And this set up is removable too. I can use the same light on other guns also. I'm gonna use burris mounts for the scope and there shoud be enough room for both at the forward position.
Note~you can also weld the bases together. Bevel the edges and tig weld them. (didn't have a tig welder)
A halo shield might be needed but I see what it looks like after it's put together.
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Im gonna go with these rings
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=678586
and probably get these to put on the top so I can put the kill light on top or some other accessory
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=475141
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Looks like a pretty cool set up.
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ZDF..will those mounts give you enough clearance between the scope bell and the light bell ? That's where I had the problem.
Just read the other thread. Looks like they might just work........interesting !!!!! ;)