yeah i don't know now...i wanted to get a fireball or a 22 hornet for my next rifle, and i think remington makes a fireball without the heavy barrel which I most definately do not want, and the savage makes the model 25 now in a synthetic 22 hornet. I have a model 25 in .223 thumbhole, and i love it, making me want to get that 22 hornet in the same gun. people tell me to sell my .223, but its hard for me to let go a gun that I know is dead nuts, and it would be nice to have around for yote huntin or chucks. and now there is a .17 hornet in a savage, that i want, but i wanted to see savage make a .17 fireball! ehhhhh! either way, it will be a while til I have enough funs for a new rifle anyhow, so i've got plenty of time to think about it haha...keep the opinions rolling, I think this is an interesting topic. BTW, the 17 hornet was introduced in the 1950's, no one has made guns again for it til now, so its not exactly new.