.223 opinions

[Chuckieo]

I am looking to get a better predator gun. One with enough punch for coyote and still have minimal fur damage. I considered the 17 fireball but the ammo is pricey. I have a 17 hmr and am quite depressed over  that caliber after reading a lot on this forum. (The gun dealer told me it was a top coyote gun, years ago when they firs became available) Apparently he didn't know about the 17 centerfires.

Should I consider the 223? i was told the ammo is reasonable and it can reach out and touch them. A gun dealer said they were very accurate. (Yes I know a gun is only as accurate as the shooter)  He told me that he has a pile of them. All kinds, single shots and ones with magazines. Or is he just trying to unload extra stock? I am going this weekend to look at the brands etc. This gun dealer didn't speak too highly of the 221 fireball, also stating the ammo was expensive.

I thought about a 243 but IMO it might be overkill. Also considered the 22.250 but someone stated it does a lot of fur damage. Please help, I'm just getting more confused as to what decision to make.

I do kill a lot of fox. but I'm good at sewing up holes since I am also a taxidermist. But not good at sewing up a fist size hole through the shoulder blade either. I would appreciate your honest opinions.

[foxtrot]

Are you hunting flat farmland or rolling hills?Fox or coyote?Do you plan on selling the pelts?Average distance you are shooting?Is noise an issue?

[jeremybrua]

Cant go wrong with 223.  Theres lots of cal. out there but a 223 is about the most common.

[Pa Goosehntr]

I have a Ruger Mdl 77 Compact in 223 and wouldn't trade it for nothing It's great at distances of 200 yds for fox and I also love it for Ground Grizz I try to limit my shots to 200 or less, just my preference, I know that it would reach farther...I'd say a 223 is an all round varmit/predator gun for Pa.

[Chuckieo]

The land I hunt varies from rolling farmland to steep mountains. I hunt most every county in Western PA. I live in Mercer county where it is relatively flat. But a short drive can put you in the mountains. Noise is not a factor for me. I am selling the pelts I get,  and only hunt when they are prime. Thank you for the replies.

[foxtrot]

17 fireball or 22 hornet,anything bigger you will be sewing holes.I'm not going to say much about the 17 hmr but it does have potential especially in the modified state.

[coyotenightmare]

Buy the 223. You will love it. Have some predator loads and deer loads worked up for it. Before long, it will become a favorite deer rifle as well.