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Everything Else => Off Topic => Topic started by: foxpro51 on January 24, 2009, 02:59:42 PM
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Does anyone know the Pennsylvania rules or regulations on Posting property? The reason i ask is i know two piece of property that are now posted but is not owned or lease by the person who posted it. Not one of the signs are signed or date etc. I can't seem to find it on the Game commission web site. That's Bull. I also know a farmer who gets paid for deer damage but post his property against deer hunting. More bull. If these POSTED signs are to be signed and dated by PA> regulations and property is posted by a non-owner these people should be fined big time. Its hurting our sport.
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Posting property and trespassing has nothing to do with the PGC.
I here this all the time. Fact is, you are not allowed on private property without permission from the land owner or leasee regardless if it is posted or not. So, what's the difference if the signs are signed? Get permission from the owner and don't worry about it.
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You are correct. I just talked to game commission and they won't do nothing if you hunt on posted land unless you break game law. Futhermore, Many property's are not owned or lease by people who post them. A county/boro/township map will tell you the legal owner and boundries. There has to be a law or regulation in Pa on Posting property if you really own it. Trappinjohn, Doesn't it upset you that people who don't own or lease property post it and have no right to do so. It's killing our sport. Do you really think the person who posted it who don't own the property is going to give you permission to hunt? What a joke.
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Yes, it would bother me if someone posted a property that they didn't own. Does the land owner know someone did this? If so, they must be giving them permission to do it. Same as a free lease I guess.
As a land owner, I expect everyone to ask me before they step foot on my land, even though it's not posted. They don't ask, they get thrown off and told not to come back.
If someone posted it without my permission, I would have them arrested.
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Here is what I know bout posting property. Posting is done for a number of reasons. The first reason, is if someone trespasses on a posted property and they get hurt. They have no legal right to go after the land owner, only in a perfect world. Second, the signing and phone number on a posted sign is in case you need to track a wounded animal or an emergencie. This is what I was told in 2007, when I was asked to post the property I hunt. The land owner had his big NY attorney meet me before I posted.
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I heard all signs must have a signature on it to verify ownership as well as the address of landowner. I also know they have to be within a certain amount of feet from each other. However I don't know the exact amount. We have a problem with hunters throwing up signs without the owners knowledge to keep people out of their hunting spots. You can always guess where a big buck is sighted, cause the posted signs go up unsigned. I would think of a posted sign as almost a legal document placed by the legal owner/leaser of propery incase of liability lawsuits.
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I've heard that too, but it's all hearsay.
I ask a state police officer once and he said there is no define way you have to post your property, incuding distance between signs. If there is problems like that in your area, you may want to ask you district magistrate what is correct.
I know the land owners where I hunt and trap and don't know of them ever having a problem. Guess we're lucky.
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Trappinjohn, NICE SIGN. I would like to know if someone can be fined for posting property they don't own. I recently seen a public power line posted when i know thay don't own it. Public Easment and recorded. You will be amazed by the amount of land owned by the boro, township, state, federal. IRS that is posted by private people.
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The utility company has purchased the right of way only for the power line from the owner. That does not make it public land.
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Fact is, you are not allowed on private property without permission from the land owner or leasee regardless if it is posted or not. So, what's the difference if the signs are signed? Get permission from the owner and don't worry about it.
That right there is all you need to know. Them ugly signs don't mean a dang thing.
Buckwheat is correct about the ROW easements, whether it be power, gas, coal, etc.
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BP, many power lines , gas lines were allways owned by them Not easements. I have such a property up in Venango. Both sides of power line is owned by my family but powerline going through my property is owned be electric company. Electric company said power line is huntable.
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I am sure there are power and gas line property owned by utilities, but I would not count on that everywhere you think you can go. I have a few here that you would get arrested on.
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Buckwheat, your probably right but some power companies are own by stock holders. I ran across that one time and was chellenged. Guess what, i was a stock holder and they lost. What i am saying there are far more illegal posted land than most people think. It really hurts the young people trying to get into hunting.
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What is hurting the youth participation isn't a lack of loophole knowledge. It is a lack of gaining legal permission, lack of adult participation, and lack of game.
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Alot of signs went up when they started putting in these gas wells in Fayette,Greene and Westmorland counties. I had a landowner who lives above me say that the gas company told them nobody was allowed to hunt on their propery now. I called Atlas Inc.(Uniontown) and asked them and they laughed saying they have no say what the property owner does. There was so certain distance you have to be from them and they are safe as long as you don't shoot the well head. This is a little off the subject but this is another thing you might encounter in an attemp to gain permission to posted property. The PGC should post a statement from the gas companies stating that the gas companies are not responsable for posting the properties in which they have placed a well on.
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I've heard that too, but it's all hearsay.
I ask a state police officer once and he said there is no define way you have to post your property, incuding distance between signs. If there is problems like that in your area, you may want to ask you district magistrate what is correct.
I know the land owners where I hunt and trap and don't know of them ever having a problem. Guess we're lucky.
I agree with most of this but their would have to be a certain distance between signs. You couldn't post one on every side of your propery and expect a hunter to know it's posted or that he is entering another parcel of propery. In the Game lands their is a distinct line between ghame lands and neighboring properties.
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Predator 77 another example of lies. Property owner didn't post it and neither did gas company. Interesting.
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They don't have to post it.
Its private property.
Is your yard posted?
Would you mind if someone had a party on your lawn?
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My dig is not with private owners posting property. It's people who post property they do not own. I can show you property in Venango that is owned by timber companies and hunting is allowed. The locals post there 1 acre piece and also post 100 acres of timberland in front of 2000 acre plots.
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I've heard that too, but it's all hearsay.
I ask a state police officer once and he said there is no define way you have to post your property, incuding distance between signs. If there is problems like that in your area, you may want to ask you district magistrate what is correct.
I know the land owners where I hunt and trap and don't know of them ever having a problem. Guess we're lucky.
I agree with most of this but their would have to be a certain distance between signs. You couldn't post one on every side of your propery and expect a hunter to know it's posted or that he is entering another parcel of propery. In the Game lands their is a distinct line between ghame lands and neighboring properties.
Yes I do I think you can expect a hunter to know it's private property and he should not be on it without permission, posted or not.
I see where your coming from, but the fact remains the same. It's the hunters responsability to know where the lines are.
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Trappin john, Example i own 30 acres ajoining 750 acres of Timberland behind me.. I could landlock that 750 acres by posting my property. I won't do it.
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I wouldn't go on your 30 acres unless I had your permission
even without signs.
I think thats how it should be
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I know there are people that post ground that does not belong to them just to keep other hunters off. You will always have cheaters, sneaks and thieves no matter what sport you take up.
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We were just out scounting today and saw two sign by Pennsylvania Game commission that said this property is open to hunting in cooperation. with the Pa. Game commission. Behind that sign was a posted sign with no signature or name. Futhermore, farmers who are paid deer damage should not post there property. Its our hunting license fees and taxes paying them.
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Futhermore, farmers who are paid deer damage should not post there property. Its our hunting license fees and taxes paying them.
Foxpro51 I agree with you on this but i know a few farmers in my area that do get deer damage and have there land posted. The only reason it is posted is they want to know who is hunting on it not to keep anyone out. That way if something would happen to there equipment or what ever they know who all talk to about it.
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Thanks CoyoteJeff, You understand
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We were just out scounting today and saw two sign by Pennsylvania Game commission that said this property is open to hunting in cooperation. with the Pa. Game commission. Behind that sign was a posted sign with no signature or name. Futhermore, farmers who are paid deer damage should not post there property. Its our hunting license fees and taxes paying them.
PGC posted the property. That sign superceeds the land owners or whoever posted behind it.
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We were just out scounting today and saw two sign by Pennsylvania Game commission that said this property is open to hunting in cooperation. with the Pa. Game commission. Behind that sign was a posted sign with no signature or name. Futhermore, farmers who are paid deer damage should not post there property. Its our hunting license fees and taxes paying them.
PGC posted the property. That sign superceeds the land owners or whoever posted behind it.
I wouldn't count on that. Who's to say someone put those PGC signs there illegally. All the PGC sign in my area that state open to hunting also state ask for permission first.
The answer is still ask the landowner
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I understand that it can be frustrating seeing no hunting signs behind a Co Op sign.
The PGC Co -Op sign is not a free for all sign to allow everyone the right to hunt the property.
Its a contract between the landowner and the PGC to allow some hunting.
Even if there are no signs at all except the Co Op signs...you must still ask permission.
If you look on the PGC website under hunting co op land....it will even tell you this portion.
As John and others said....even if there is no signs at all...someone owns that property...its still private property and we as sportsman should ALWAYS ask permission first.
If a farmer NEVER allows anyone to hunt....then contact your local WCO and let them know, and they can take the proper measures for removing them from the Co-Op program
Also some of the farms listed in the Co-Op havent been in it for years, but the signs remain because the database hasnt been updated and the signs removed.
There is no posting regulations in Pa....but in order to prosecute for trespassing, it must appear evident that any logical person could tell they were trespassing and that the property is posted.
If I own land and have 10 posters on the road side, but the back side (which borders PGL) isnt posted and someone accidentally comes in off the Game lands....it would be difficult to prosecute them for trespass.
As for someone posting land which is not theirs....it doesnt matter if it is posted...if you have permission...hunt it.
If the timber company says you can hunt there....go ahead and do it, as there is no fear of being prosecuted for trespassing, when you have permission from the landowner.
Earl....the thing about being a stockholder has me though. (sounds like you got away with that one, so you either had a good lawyer or a DJ and LEO that didnt have a clue about what they were doing.)
That would be like me saying since I own PepsiCo stock I can walk into any Frito Lay, Pepsi building, or Yum stock restaurant and roam the back and they wouldnt be able to arrest me...because I own stock.
My father has PPL stock, but we couldnt go hunting down at Brunner Island? Or use the powerlines.
BTW my family owns property that has powerlines that run through it.....they own the property...the only thing the powerlines have are the ROW's to maintain the lines through the property...they dont have any right to keep people from hunting it (thats my uncles rights) But I am sure there may be different ROW leases, I'm definitely no lawyer.
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Yea, Posted property is really killing hunting for the young generaton. Hunting sport has dropped big time across the U.S. I also hate people who try to landlock public huniting areas.
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The youth should learn now to
respect the land owner and ask for permission.
It will build character and confidence