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Predator Hunting => Predator Hunting => Topic started by: Misterjake23 on April 12, 2017, 01:04:20 AM
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One less dumb one left..... 37.5 lb female.
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Nice going jake!!!
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;) ;) ;) Skun that one pilgrim and go fetch another one!! :o :o :o :o
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Good Job Jakey Boy.
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I used an E.L.K howler and left out 2 long howls. Waited about 5 minutes, then hit a FOXPRO yellow birdie hand call for about a minute, then went silent. Never heard a response. She came in silent. She didn't seem alarmed at all. Her head was down most of the time, not up and looking around. I left her come in to the 180 yard mark then pulled the trigger on her. She dropped instantly. I shot her through the brisket with a 204 Ruger using a Hornady 40 gr. V Max. The worst part was the long drag out !!! She scaled in at 37.5 lbs.
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Nice! Congrats!
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Good job, 'jake. That's a good size female. Was she pregnant? or Full of milk?
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She was pregnant. Just starting to bag. I would guess 2-3 weeks away. I hunt a property where the guy claims he is over with run with coyotes and loves his deer hunting. He wants them exterminated. I didn't have the heart to tell him that would never happen. I did offer my amateur services though. I'm afraid if I'm not there a few times a month, he's going to look else where for an exterminator........ I'm happy to oblige.
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Way to go, Jake!
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Then you did land owner a favor. You knocked down next years trouble makers.
The den is near. Go back and kill the attending female and Alpha male.
Arnie Hayden told me Coyotes mate for life. If either Alpha is killed, it's usually replaced within 72 hours to a week.
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Good for you Jake, I am sure the land owner is happy.
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Curiosity got the best of me. She had 4 pups. They had toe nails and everything. My guess is she would have had them within a week.
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'jake, 4 pups, that's neat to know. That's chit I do and like to know for ADC work & fur killing. Glad you did that and it should be done this time of year. Good job.
I would like to add why I 'look inside' reproductive organ & stomach contents. It gives me insight what's happening in this area.
I'm not a biologist. But have open enough stomachs to feel comfortable to a guesstimate.
I've weighed unborn Coyote pups from a few ounces to 8+ ounces.
Here's my take...
What did 'jakes 4 pups tell me on this property?
-Average Coyote litter is 5 new born pups. Jake's bitch had 4 pups. Slightly below average.
What does that mean?
-I feel Jake's area has a stable Coyote population. Bitch is not over producing pups to fill voids. In this case, I think the property owner gave Jake sound advice that there are Coyotes in the area. Maybe not in his words, "over run", but none the less, stable and there are Coyotes.
Just thinking out loud folks.
What did the 4 pups tell you?
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That is some pretty good input there Hern. Never looked at it like that
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Hern, For what it's worth, I think you nailed it. This spot always seems to hold a coyote or two. At certain times of the year, a lone howl can set off 3-4 pairs / groups. I always see scat on the road I walk in on. There is no shortage of tracks either. I think 4 pups would be average for this spot.
I can't help but think if there are only 3 pairs, and each pair has 4 pups, the population is going to increase real fast.
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I can't help but think if there are only 3 pairs, and each pair has 4 pups, the population is going to increase real fast.
That's why I feel the population is stable and not increase.
A certain percentage of the 3 pair's pups will not live to be adults either.
Jake, you say 3 pair so I'm using that, on your experience. The 3 pair know the 'holding capacity' of their territory. 12 new pups will not hurt chances of survival for the Alpha's. That show FOOD & Cover is available for 12 more Coyotes until dispersal.
Things can change and leave you scratching your head...
Now you have a lone Alpha male. He will look for another mate. This may take him from this area and may never return. The attending female may do the same.
Another Alpha females (one of the 3 pairs) may be shot or road killed. Pups will die. Alpha male may do same as the first.
Many variables. And pointing out some examples...'what happened? where are they?'
But the area does hold Coyotes now. And should continue to support Coyotes. Just pointing out there may be ups and downs in the populations from time to time.
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Way to go Jake I have been pushing hard the last 2 weeks one property owner is seeing them in is yard tormenting is dog had 1 in 1 time did not get the shot still at it, again good shooting.
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Thanks everyone
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Hern, If I had to guess, I'd say there are more than 3 pairs. 3 is probably a pretty conservative number . I'm basing that on what I've heard, seen and already killed from this spot. I've taken probably 6 coyotes out of this spot in the past year
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It seems to me that four pups is kinda low but then again I did not know 5 was the average. If I was a betting man I would say only one of those pups would have survived to maturity and that pup would be real lucky. I know the spot Jake hunts and most areas below rte80 are small (to a coyote) tracts of broken terrain. This increases the odds of mortality. Then again coyotes have proven themselves as being very adaptable. Even with Jake taking these five out of the picture I feel the population will remain stable at this location based on the activity there.
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;D ;D ;D And that's straight from the ?? ....Whoose Yo Daddy!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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One out of 4 pups surviving....... is that because you know I'm in there hunting them !!! LOL
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In that case it would be 100% survival. Lol
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Nice, that's a big one!
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Great job Jake....and Hern thankyou for that info...